Free will is real and human freedom is the illusion

I believe why people all over the world question whether free will is real is because of the creation of our beliefs in freedom. It's a structural integrity built on influence. We as a people are not what the animal kingdoms species are governed by. We create our own things, whether or not it benefits our world, which is not appropriate.

Think about woman's rights. The animal kingdom doesn't recognize them because women already rule there. They have power over men. We as humans lost that when we started technology. Women got suppressed because with primitive technology woman can't hold a candle to battle against men. Before primitive technology men couldnt hold a candle in battle against women. Now that we have more mature technology women are finally able to stand for themselves again. It's an illusion. Women get to pick & choose their rights, can't slap their butt, but they can yours. Can't hit em but they can to you. They want higher pay & more rights, they want all the rewards & benefits without the consequences. It is ruining our society letting certain sexes or races pick & choose what they should be able to do without giving them the consequential rights too. Women won't let the past go, they were suppressed for 10s of thousands of years & they hold a grudge like no other. They are creating our world into hell. They are the apple, now they are the finishers. They use technology, that's why they ate the apple to begin with, one day they shall rise to redemption the serpent said. It's prophecy has come true. I don't believe in hitting women, I think it's very shameful. Which is why I don't believe in equal pay or rights either. You can send a woman to the army but you get in trouble for hitting them, that is totally unfair for a gay man or straight man. When I get a business women will have the same contract as men. You can't show half your boobs if mean can't show half a penis, you can't tease unless men can, you can't get paid the same as men unless if you get the same exact rights as men. Which means if 90% of female applicants can't pick up rocks all day & can cook & 90% men applicants can pick up rocks all day & can't cook, guess who gets what jobs. Our world has not had the capability to destroy itself for ever until now, & now is when everyone wants to pick & choose rights. I don't believe in coincidences, especially when it's been a million years since women have had all the right in the world. This is why we believe free will is an illusion, because we let suppressed people pick & choose their & our structures of freedom. Freedom is an illusion, not free will. Free will exists in the animal kingdom for every species. Freedom exists in the animal kingdom for every species except us.

a reply to: SatansPride

Freewill is a debatable notion that's for sure.



As to humans possessing freedom pertaining to our current society? Well let's just say that present paradigm presiding, and having done so throughout recorded history, freedom is indeed illusory in the extreme.

The divide and conquer mentality, racial prejudice and religious intolerance, not to mention our own penchant for destruction and refusal to learn from our past historical transgressions are what prevent our own freedom, and by design no less.

What nonsense, women got freedom in what country?
Western society developed equal rights, not just for women either, that's where their equality came from.

As for free will, of course we have it, though society dictates how we utilised freewill

a reply to: andy06shake

Consciousness is us making deductions based on our past. We make a choice today, it effects 20 years from now. One thought, one feeling, is all that it takes to change your mind 10 months in the futures. Just because we to dumb to remember what we think & feel at certain moments doesn't make our choices any less of our. It's our choice to forget ourselves since a baby. I chose not to forget. Free will is controversial in the terms on short term, free will of a whole life is not. Science is dumb still right now so they can't explain what we thought & felt at 10 years old that effected us in our 40s. If you say you control your thoughts before you think, they will throw you in the Looney bin & claim the same irrational bogus claims they have been making. Interference & influence have nothing to do with free will.

a reply to: Raggedyman

So we on the same page. Equal rights came from the most technologically advanced civilization after weapons of mass destruction were invented. They don't dictate how we use free will, they dictate our freedom. Big difference.

Is this actually about free will or a rant about you feeling negative about women?

Freedom exists in our species, free will exists in our species. You are free to burn down a building on your own free will and other people are just as equally free to arrest you.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

Why would you feel negative about woman? What you got against woman? I was using an example for the illusion of freedom. I might have ranted a little about women not being the most powerful sex anymore. I don't appreciate how they aren't as powerful as any other woman in any other species. What don't you like about woman? They are our leaders in my eyes. & Freedom does not exist in our species without illusion. Throw your poop at another person, see if your free as a monkey after. Free will is what people impose on freedom.

I answered all of the questions I asked so nvm. Forget it, you are a woman, I think so at least by the way you didn't see how I said it's technology that has a negative impact on woman & how I don't like that it puts y'all down. Is phycology a lie too? Rhetorical. Lol jk sorry I just kiddin. Just playing, you probs ain't even a woman. I just can't delete this post & I have the answers to my questions I asked now so I had to rebuttle. I sound mean but I'm just making fun of that you didn't see my first few lines about the good things about woman, woman do that. Lol sorry

a reply to: TheLotLizard

Damn, now you make me want to change my post to what men are like now that technology of mass destruction have arrived. & What they were like with primitive tech. & What they were like before tech. We are all disgraceful, I ain't bringing race into it though, just cause we suppressed japan & Chinese people for so long & yadda it would start a big thing. I might change my post & make it more clear about men's lust for power too. Idk yet

a reply to: andy06shake

Without society, civilizations, judgement, & the devil, freedom wouldn't exist. The only way for something to exist in human language, is for it to be deceitfully controversial. What I have learned about being online, is that hate is the key to fame. People won't talk about you if they like you. If they hate you, they dont stop talking about you. Hence, the people holding our country for ransom, our leaders. They were hated so much everyone knew about them. The people that were liked & good noone talked about much. Hate is the key to peoples love. Technology is hate, our progression is love. People torture mice for medicine, they use hate to cure diseases. If people never used hate or fear we wouldn't have technology. If we used love lol good luck getting anywhere in life outside of nature & natural habitats. God be with em.

Free will has no place in a system governed by mathematics. We live in such a system.

a reply to: SatansPride

No we are not, it has nothing to do with technology
It was about social perspective

a reply to: Raggedyman

How socially perspective would we be if society never played with fire or made bone knifes. Technology is the cause of our problems, what is our solution though? The wheel, why could most men use spears better than most woman?, why did woman have better knitting skills than most men? Where we both forced to be like that or did it become natural after we developed technology. What I have seen in the animal kingdom, women are better with spears, & men are better at knitting. Thats with no technology though. Like lol try to fight with a woman with a spear(claws) a few million years ago, ain't happening. Try to out knit(build) better than a woman then, got em all day. Now we have great tech. & it's going back to the beginning, woman will take over us with their technological wits, strategy over power. They have the tech. like the internet & big weapons to fight back with again, & they are using it quite well as before tech. came.

a reply to: hombero

Free will is a mistake. We live in a math & science universe yeah. Equations will forever have mistakes. Mistakes in math though are opportunistic times to have fun while reevaluating the situation. Same thing as free will in life. Everytime an accident happens, it's a way to change the future. We are an accident, if we make accidents happen that's a double negative, & that is not free will. If we aren't having accidents, it's of our own free will.

a reply to: SatansPride

No the problem is selfishness and our own arrogance and forcing ourselves on others
You are talking about tools and how we use them, for good or bad is our choice

Believe what you want, I disagree with you

a reply to: SatansPride

A) Women do not rule the animal kingdom....

The dominant sex changes depending on the species..


Banobo’s the females rule.. (off topic, but their are no cases of rape, infantcide or murder in banobo societies)..

Chimp’s the males rule.. (rape, infancide and murder are rampant).


B) society is a pendulum..

We recognize a problem then over correct.

Then the counter revolution to the over correction undoes most, but not all the progress that was made in the initial push to fix whatever problem.

C) if you were treated poorly by some group. Then they decide to stop treating you poorly. Do you instantly forgive and move on???

Do you expect no compensation for the years of mistreatment you endured??

Look at race relations..

Pro-slavery and pro segregation people robbed Africa can Americans of all their worldly possessions and centuries of labor. Then after that robbery decide,

“ok, we will stop raping and robbing y’all. But we are keeping all your stuff and you get zero satisfaction for all the rapes and murders...why can’t you guys just move on?!?!”

Lol... who would go for that deal?!?!


And we are not talking ancient history...

Segregation was less than ONE life time ago and slavery is less than TWO lifetimes ago..

That is like be robbing your house then coming to you and saying, “ok let’s just call it even and keep what we got??? Is that cool??”


3) none of these issues are black vs. white or males vs females..

These are issues of slavery vs abolition, segregation vs. integration, discrimination vs equality..

You choose your story side you are not born into it.


That doesn’t mean you don’t call out ridiculousness when you see it, but you have to keep the perspective of what the goals are for those your supporting..

a reply to: SatansPride

Science, neuroscience, in particular, might somewhat disagree with your assessment.

Every conscious decision we make essentially has no free will at its core.

That being said free will is a construct Humanity simply cannot live without, illusory or otherwise.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I just meant we agreed on where freedom originated, you say the most democratical nation, I say the most powerful, they are hand in hand. Men used to be raped by woman for ever in the dinosaur age, it's our curse to get boners even if we don't want to intuitionally. it's a fight that will never end, it's life. But the only reason we got tough is from transforming evolutionarily & got tech. & evil people kept doing what they do. Except men were more powerful cause of tech. No way to know for sure for another 100 years but it seems women are already tricking men into sex better than ever since a few million years ago. The tides are technologically turning. I say they mentally rape us cause porn is an addiction & sex is too now. Do you wonder why it's an addiction after so long? Why sex is better than reproduction to people now? Clothes lol, woman learned fashion & beauty & temptation & lust. The first step we took to power too way back then.

a reply to: andy06shake

Science is still young though. When they figure out what people think & feel through their whole life & keep track, analyze & determine outcomes, some people will see free will & try to change it.