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Proof Illegals should be shot on site...........

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posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 10:54 AM
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To the "good" doctor.....
Can I ask, if a begger came into a house of god looking for shelter, would you shoot him?




posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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This is the most stupid thinking I have seen in a bit here on ATS! These types of crimes are committed all the time by American citizens.....this one happened to be committed by an illegal....he deserves death as far as I am concerned, but to shoot all illegals because of what one did!?.....
You really are a piece of work.....very, very sad!



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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Here's a good one....
Second story on page
13 criminal aliens ....sex offenders in Minnesota

Link: www.ice.gov...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:20 AM
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Shooting Illegals while they are crossing hmmmmmm...i'm not going to justify this with an answer. But i will say that you cant blame somebody who is willing to risk his life so he/she can provide for their family. But who you can blame is the ranchers',resutraunts, Sweatshops that hire these people Illegally, and continue to do so. You can shoot all the people you want. But you know what it wont do Dick! As long as their is some Rich bastard willing to pay them for cheap labor , there will be people coming here to get that money.

Remember they don't want to have to pay some working class slob like you or me a decent wage because they can find somebody who will do it cheaper! So when we do find work, The amount that we actually get is lower, What would minimun wage be if everyone was legal? it would be alot hire that is for sure.

Of course it's easier to blame Non-americans for taking work ,taking money. than it is to blame the fat-cats that continually rape us socially,hold us down, allow these people to recieve these benefits just so they can make more money. You'd be pointing your guns at the wrong people.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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Rapists should be shot perhaps, but using the actions of one to justify the advocating of shooting a particular group...???

That's certainly hateful speech...and a violation of the TOS. I'll hold off on a warn at the moment, but note that it would fall under this.

I'm all for securing our borders. Heck, I'd love to see a nice big wall and a landmine strip between the US and Mexico...but it still won't make me advocate directed genocide...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
if a begger came into a house of god looking
for shelter, would you shoot him?


Is your hypothetical begger looking for temporary
shelter, or is he breaking into the church to steal
things? Why is he breaking into a church, when
there are perfectly good homeless shelters set up
around cities? Illegals STEAL entry into the USA. They
STEAL funds and services that LEGAL immigrants
are supposed to get.

A church and the United States of America have
two different purposes.

The United States of America is NOT a dumping
ground for illegal aliens. There are LEGAL channels
for people to go through if they want to come to
America.



[edit on 2/17/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
I'd love to see a nice big wall and a landmine
strip between the US and Mexico.


Excellent! But you know that many Europeans
would whine that it was cruel to the illegal aliens
even though it would be their own fault that they
got blown up.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok...but it still won't make me advocate directed genocide...


Genocide: murder of an entire ethnic group.
Encarta Dictionary

I hardly think this is advocating genocide. However wrong it might be, he is saying shoot anyone crossing the border illegally. That's ANYONE crossing the border illegally, ie, not limiting it to mexicans. There can also be terrorist exploiting our weak border security.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Is your hypothetical begger looking for temporary
shelter, or is he breaking into the church to steal
things?

why would he walk into a house of god if he was stealing?



Why is he breaking into a church, when
there are perfectly good homeless shelters set up
around cities?

The question stands, regardless of other alternatives, we are talking about what would happen if a man walked into a church and asked for help.



Illegals STEAL entry into the USA. They
STEAL funds and services that LEGAL immigrants
are supposed to get.

How?
They walk in and get a job, that isnt stealing its called getting a job.


A church and the United States of America have
two different purposes.

The main religions in america involve churchs do they not?


The United States of America is NOT a dumping
ground for illegal aliens. There are LEGAL channels
for people to go through if they want to come to
America.

So if they cant get through these channels because they dont have the money or paper work , then what?
Let them rot and die?



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Is your hypothetical begger looking for temporary
shelter, or is he breaking into the church to steal
things?

why would he walk into a house of god if he was stealing?

You are kidding right? Why would a thief go into a church? Hello?
Sound systems. Items used for the mass/service. The poor box
with money in it. Statues to steal and resell. Churches are broken
into all the time. ALL THE TIME.

The question stands, regardless of other alternatives, we are
talking about what would happen if a man walked into a church
and asked for help.

The question still remains, why break into a cold empty church
when there are warm homeless shelters with hot food and a
bed available down the road. This makes no sense. However,
to appease you, the answer is to send him to the homeless
shelter down the road where they have the proper facilties to
take care of him. A church isn't properly equiped to take care
of homeless people. Homeless shelters have everything and
that's their job.



[edit on 2/17/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
You are kidding right? Why would a thief go into a church? Hello?
Sound systems. Items used for the mass/service. The poor box
with money in it. Statues to steal and resell. Churches are broken
into all the time. ALL THE TIME.

Hello , he wouldnt walk in now would he?
He'd break in HELLO!



The question still remains, why break into a cold empty church
when there are warm homeless shelters with hot food and a
bed available down the road.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD STOP MAKEING HIM SOUND LIKE A THIEF!
I said walk in not break, not force entry, not climb in through a window or blow down the front door.
Your question makes him sound like a thief, if you want an answer to your question then fine , is there a homeless shelter in every town,city or village in the US OF A?
...Didnt think so...



This makes no sense. However, to appease you, the answer is to send him to the homeless shelter down the road where they have the proper facilties to
take care of him.

So you would send him to the nearest shelter?
Wouldnt help the man?
I thought that chruches helped people?
Are you trying to change my opinion on them?


A church isn't properly equiped to take care
of homeless people. Homeless shelters have everything and
that's their job.

No, it isnt BUT the fact is do you shoot a man for asking for help?
Do you shoot a man for trying to get food for himself and his family.
Why dont you go be an illegal imigrant to a country and see what life is like....



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Illegals STEAL entry into the USA. They STEAL funds
and services that LEGAL immigrants are supposed to get.
How? They walk in and get a job, that isnt stealing its called getting a job.

No. It's called stealing. They broke the law to get here. They take
up space in jobs that LEGAL immigrants could have. They use up
free medical care, education for their children, and other services that
should be going to LEGAL immigrants but because the system is
strained from all the illegals, the LEGAL ones don't get everything
they should be getting. The illegals STEAL entry and then STEAL
goods and services that should be going to LEGAL immigrants.

A church and the United States of America have
two different purposes.


The main religions in america involve churchs do they not?

So what? What does that have to do with anything? This makes
no sense. America has churches therefore the purpose of America
is the same purpose as a church? This is crazy.

The United States of America is NOT a dumping
ground for illegal aliens. There are LEGAL channels
for people to go through if they want to come to
America.


So if they cant get through these channels because they
dont have the money or paper work , then what?
Let them rot and die?

Rot and die, or fix their own country and make it better.
In the mean time, there is plenty of international aid,
including a ton from America. If isn't enough, oh well.
Middle class America can't feed the entire world AND it's
not an excuse for them to come across illegally.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

So you would send him to the nearest shelter?
Wouldnt help the man?

That IS helping the man. DUH. An empty cold church holds
nothing physically substantial for a homeless man. A shelter is
run by professional people and volunteers who work with
homeless and who are educated in helping the mental challenges
that come with it. Shelters have heat/air conditioning 24/7
(churches do not), shelters have hot food (churches do not),
shelters have clothing to give the homeless (churches do not),
shelters have beds for the homeless to sleep in (churches do not).
Now... in an effort to get back on subject ... America is NOT a
homeless shelter for illegal aliens. It's not our job.

Why dont you go be an illegal imigrant to a country
and see what life is like....

Because I don't break the law, and I'm very happy where I
am.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
No. It's called stealing. They broke the law to get here. They take
up space in jobs that LEGAL immigrants could have.

Notice the word COULD , most imigrants that can afford to get over usually get better paid jobs than most illegal ones do.


They use up free medical care, education for their children, and other services that should be going to LEGAL immigrants but because the system is
strained from all the illegals, the LEGAL ones don't get everything
they should be getting. The illegals STEAL entry and then STEAL
goods and services that should be going to LEGAL immigrants.

Free health care is something our country has for every one, not just imigrants, how your countries health care works is your buisness.

Also education for thier kids?
WTF! Are you saying you wouldnt let them go to school?
These other services DO go to legal ones.



So what? What does that have to do with anything? This makes
no sense. America has churches therefore the purpose of America
is the same purpose as a church? This is crazy.

No, but my point is that the USA' biggest religion involves churches does it not?
Therefore they should reflect some of the morals that religion has, which is to help the needy.



Rot and die, or fix their own country and make it better.
In the mean time, there is plenty of international aid,
including a ton from America.

Oh yeah a ton of aid, sure there is thats why there is appeals everyday for more?
They cant fix thier country THATS THE POINT!


If isn't enough, oh well.

Oh well?
Thats it?


Middle class America can't feed the entire world AND it's
not an excuse for them to come across illegally.

The middle class america DOESNT feed the world, that is an ignorant statement.
The excuses range, you would cross illegally if you had to would you not?



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
is there a homeless shelter in every town,city or
village in the US OF A? ...Didnt think so...


Actually yes. Every city has homeless shelters.
Every town has either shelters or the local officials have
access to shelters. Most small towns have no need of
homeless shelters, however like I said, the town officials
have access to the Salvation Army or other groups that
run shelters (like the Red Cross), if not in that particular town,
then in one nearby.


Nooooooooooooo clue about America .... none .......



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Actually yes. Every city has homeless shelters.
Every town has either shelters or the local officials have
access to shelters.

Really?
Funny then why is there homeless on the street?



Most small towns have no need of
homeless shelters, however like I said, the town officials
have access to the Salvation Army or other groups that
run shelters (like the Red Cross), if not in that particular town,
then in one nearby.


Ah , but this is going back on what you said you are pointing out how good the USA is but you say you should just shoot them instead of helping?


Nooooooooooooo clue about America .... none .......

Just like you then about mexico or any other poor country then huh...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
...Heck, I'd love to see a nice big wall and a landmine strip between the US and Mexico...but it still won't make me advocate directed genocide...


I don't think we should shoot them either, but Gazrok, that's a good idea. Have this border/400 yd. deep minefield and have chain link fences on either side with randomly placed one-person-at-a-time (no vehicles allowed under penalty of death) openings along the fences. Once the illegal goes through the fence, he or she is now on the playing field. If he or she makes it to the other side without turning into hamburger, they get an instant green card. Then in New York we could have a digital sign hanging in Times Square that continuously tracks the number of illegals that have met their demise while attempting to cross. Just a thought, and no I'm not advocating the killing of illegals in any way. It's just a "how bad do you want to come to the U.S." thing. The choice would be totally up to them.

Peace



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
that is an ignorant statement.

Actually everything I have read from YOU is ignorant.
But your *mood* indicator at the side of the screen
says 'angry at America'... so obviously you just want
to argue and you aren't really open to understanding.
'dump the illegals in America, who cares about the law
right?'
You are a joke. Your 'arguements' are
a joke. Go burn an American flag or something ...
make yourself feel better.
Go write to the
leaders of scotland and tell 'em you think that Scotland
should accept all the illegals that are streaming across
America's borders. Put your money where your mouth is.

Facts remain.... illegals steal jobs, steal goods, steal
services, steal education and steal access to America
away from LEGAL immigrants. They strain the system.
They break the law. They are blood suckers on
America.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Actually yes. Every city has homeless shelters.
Every town has either shelters or the local officials have
access to shelters.


Really? Funny then why is there homeless on the street?

It's their choice. Shelters are there. However, they have
strict rules like no drinking alcohol, bathing required, etc. etc.
Most homeless folks in America who aren't in shelters CHOOSE
to be out 'in the open air' (that's what they call it) instead of
in a shelter where they can't drink their alcohol or where they
have to obey the rules of the house.

Like I said. You have no clue how America really is.

Sad. A know-it-all foreigner trying to tell educated Americans
how their country *really* is. Sad or funny. Dunno. Anyways,
I have better things to do with my time then sit here and educate
you. Google works wonders. Try using it. Bu-bye now.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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Or, as a last resort, one could think about why these aliens choose the illegal path, and fix that?
I bet if they could make some money in a legal way, they'd stop stealing?

But maybe I'm just being silly.



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