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What happened to the Skripals in Salisbury ? Why ?

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posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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Hello all fellow members . Here follows a surmised theory of what happened in Salisbury on March 4th . I will not provide links but the sort of reading readily available online may included the wiki pages on Christopher Steele , The Steele Dossier , The Cambridge Analytica and Orbis Business Intelligence pages etc . AND would draw on the many recent news articles on the subject including with regard to particular Telegraph articles which allude to the premise of the theory , which is that Scripal knew Steele .

While the Telegraph are apparently unable to back this claim , the fact thatthe two both lived in Salisbury adds to the intrigue , and so a theory , just a theory, has developed : but it is one which does only the wide range of evidential facts from the various sources which have been encountered . Some background need to be initially bypassed to make this case simple , which spy stories .. never are .

Introducing , Mr .
Trump

And Mr . Putin

Including their various associates .

And now introducing , Messrs. Steele , Mr. Mueller head of the USA's 'Russiagate' probe , and Mr. Skripal himself .

Christopher Steele , a former MI6 spy , ran a company called Orbis , which provided pay for intelligence , on an 'answer these questions' basis . And he was asked by ------( we dont know quite who yet , because that would be foremost a professionally kept secret)

to answer this question and similar : "what do we know about [president elect] Trump's dealings with Russia" ?

The result was called 'The Steele Dossier' and it remains the subject of intense scrutiny by many intelligence agencies , and not least , Comey's public investigation . Trump does not like being investigated over this dossier of proposed facts , but for obvious reasons , this will happen either way .
The Steele Dossier was leaked to the media and included the' famous 'allegation that Trump paid prostitutes to perform 'golden shower' sex acts . The reasons.. his motivations for doing this may be addressed later , but as of the current period , the main goal is for intelligence agencies to determine the veracity of this information , ie , whether it is true , or not true .

Any intelligence one has cannot be judged , until that the sources of that intelligence are assessed , and also not until that the factual content is verified in some way . Maybe several linked ways of verification may provide the proof , and therefore knowledge becomes knowledge , because no one wants to work with unactionable and unrequested falsities .

Let's be clear : both Trump and Putin absolutely refute the roughly 4 page set of claims the Steele Dossier makes about Trumps affairs with Russia . So what does the Steele Dossier claim ? Look it up on wiki , if you are /were worth your salt to this site , or to commenting on this matter at all .

The claims include : That Trump is being blackmailed by Russia , as in , the Russians know things about Trump which could not only bring down his presidency but also perhaps his entire empire , his life , effectively . This might , just might , explain why that Trump is so very cagey about homeland Russia probes , making changes left and right , altering heads of government and agencies . If something along these lines is true , it defines the situation that domestic american politics is currently in . It is , or would be , highly likely to define the entire Trump presidency , and may carry explanations from further back too , by asking the question , what might the russian intelligence forces have had against the old Clinton empire , as well ? The facts ma lead on to perhaps Uranium One , for example , where blackmailing the regime's leaders may have led to forced co-operation with a foreign state . What may they have had on Obama , and the other Clinton stooges , which they were afraid of coming out ? Well maybe , just maybe ask Pdesta about his friends' pizza parlours ? Podesta was a policy chief and a campaign master : how easy may it have been for the russians , with their superior intel powers , to have leaned heavily on the former presidencies too at times ?

So why might Scripal have died? The theory would follow , that The Steele Dossier , still under intense scrutiny , was actually somewhere near true . In the quest to identify the veracity of the information , scrutiny of Steele's informant associates would be crucial . Now the likely source of some of it , was Skripal , would have been exposed directly to facts about both Russia's intelligence knowledge and the knowledge of MI6 , and he would have understood the international relationships between Britain American and Russia far better than most .
So , as the likely source of Steele's list of proposed facts is indeed credible , then should this become too widely known , that the Steele Dossier contained truth , despite the denials of both Trump and Putin himself , then all kinds unwiring and breaking of nuts and bolts in wider political relationships would have ensued . The President Trump would be a farce and required to leave for example , the Russians would lose their asset (valuable is he ?) in America , and President Putin would be angry . What other fallout might occur ? Answer for yoursleves : all sorts of stuff might happen , the media would be in a field day for the next six months . Things secret are better kept secret , while various actors , not least the two world leaders involved must be (would be) cursing Steele and the agency who leaked his work , and crucially , they've have good reason to get rid of Skripal , poste haste .

In this theory , then both Trump , and Putin , had reason to ruin Skripals life forever . The media and British governemnt sources say that ' there is no other credible explanation as to who has done this , it has to be russia / aka Putin . But you could put it here , that the is a question of who stands to gain the most from Skripals gruesome exit from life ? The Russians dont want the Steele Dossier to be made verified information , because they are shown to be blackmailing Trump , and the dossier oitlines the reasons they can do this , including Trump's being offered' bribes 'such as 19% stake in Rosneft , such as having prostitutes wet the bed , and even , that Trump is a long time friend of Epstein , Prince Andrew et all , including Clinton, and a traveller upon the Lolita express . The Russians want to continue to use their hold over Trump , however , they are in the enviable position of being able to walk away from the situation , scot free , except assetless for the time being . Should they have wished to call in their cards on Trump , to break the man for non- co-operation , the Steele Dossier , and the publicised veracity of its contents may have been a considerable boon . But it's not being propsed that they didn;t kill Skripal , just that , it's too early to tell . It may suit the British government to point at russia , and it would be of course very stupid to accuse the Trump .

But what does Trump stand to gain or lose ? First of all , such an horrible method of disposal has been made very public . Someone on their way to Britain , perhaps with the misson of informing Mueller's inquiry , by identifying Skripal as a source of the dossier , and hence improving its reliability rating , and maybe leading to his impeachment or much worse , would be now very concerned about their current intent .
edit on 26-3-2018 by ZIPMATT because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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Thought this was a site to discuss conspiracies, not create them? Keep trying to throw everything in the world at the impeach Trump wall. Eventually something will stick...for a second...until it slides off as well. There will eventually be elections and you all “might” get Trump out of office. Unless you keep feeding the Right never ending political advertising nuggets.



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us
Thought this was a site to discuss conspiracies, not create them?


Well, someone needs to create them. Right?
edit on 26/3/2018 by vinifalou because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: vinifalou

Thanks for that !,

no leftism , libism or any bias involved here . Just theorising

What Trump could have gained from Skripal gone would generally be that the Steele dossier would not remain a major focus for Mueller (added Comey in text) . This could be both down to fear of reprisals for following up the Steele claims , and obviously that there is no confirming veracity , under oath or otherwise , with a man who is not going to wake up . This is also something (that he helped Steele produce the information) that his daughter Yulia may have known about too. Someone from here with good knowledge of the inquiries will provide insight . This is Not intended to offend the Trump camp



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 10:14 AM
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Counter theory.

Scripal knew Steele and knew the dossier was bogus, and so before he could be pressured to reveal that, he was offed by hillary, the dnc, the fbi, or whoever else.

And look, I have the exact same amount of proof for my theory as you do yours.



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Surely a bogus dossier would have been of little consequence and easily dismissed ?
No one would need to kill Scripal or even use his potential evidence to dismiss it .
Except perhaps who requisitioned the list answers in the first place , if it was as you imply, the opposition to Trump . they might prefer us to think it was true , but other means would have been used than kill someone who would not be able to convincingly disconfirm it anyway, with nerve agent so publically .

Dismissal has already occured via the media ,
while Trump called it Fake News , and Putin called it [something else quite derogatory] . Strange how they all agree for once isn't it ?



edit on 26-3-2018 by ZIPMATT because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: Grambler

Surely a bogus dossier would have been of little consequence and easily dismissed ? Dismissal has already occured via the media ,
while Trump called it Fake News , and Putin called it [something else quite derogatory] . Strange how they all agree for once isn't it ?
Meanwhile it very much remains food for interested agencies .



The media dismissed it?

Turn on cnn, msnbc, abc, CBS. The nyt, the Washington post, or any other of the litany of msm pushing the Russian collusion narrative 24 7.

Yes, Intel agencies, that hate trump, that sought an insurance policy against him, that leak against him routinely, that unmasked names of trump connected people to hurt them, that wiretapped trumps people.

Yes, they are still acting like this is a worthwhile dossier, all the while admitting that have not been able to verify the biggest claims in it.



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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My theory....

The FBI doesn't need any outside information about Trump. The 3 letters has had Trump under scrutiny for a long long time. In fact ever since he started doing business with the Russian mafia in NY.



They have videos and recordings enough to bring him down whenever THEY choose. It's like a cat playing with a mouse until the cat gets hungry.

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posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

From what you say the view is clearing :


Yes, they are still acting like this is a worthwhile dossier, all the while admitting that have not been able to verify the biggest claims in it.


This quote supports the / our theory of the importance of this Steele Dossier to the Skripal case . Whether he himself can /could confirm or deny the contents seems to be the crux of the Salisbury case . He _probably , could confirm it or some or even most or all of it . Though it is given that Trump supporters will not approve . No anti- trump bias , just for the sake of clarity



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: ZIPMATT

So you back off from your statent saying the media dismissed it.

Again, there is just as much evidnce the Scripal could have proved that the dossier was all lies bought and paid for by the dnc and fbi.



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Does Trump have women urinating on beds ? .. for example . In Britain the media publicised the claims but also the dismissals . And now , we dont see Trump as having done something like this , or it is not acceptable to claim that he did . The media helped publicise but helped the public doubt, the steele dossier . When you look deeper , into the whys and wherefores proposed in the dossier itself .. Trump apparently had them do this act on the bed within a 'Presidential suite' that trump knew Obama and Michele had and would use , because he hated Obama . This is potentially beleivable and credible to Trump in that case , if not partly because of Trumps silent reaction to Obamas public insult to him at the WH press dinner in about 2015. Obama called him amongst other things a moon-denier , while Trump had it in for him over his fake birth certificate . Trump very possibly did hate Obama enough to have this further story happen



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: ZIPMATT

And there we have it.

Another believer in the pee pee story.

Well done!



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

LOL

It's beleived to be in the dossier , yes . Very possibly so , at least . Cut us a slice of Rosneft pie and we'll be on your side
. Seriously though , neutrality prevails at this end



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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Where do you get the info to boost up Skripal? Skripal was a lowly and I mean lowly military attache in Madrid. Then when his health was failing he was returned to Moscow where he worked in the personnel department of the GRU finishing in 1999.
This was all his dealing with Russian intelligence.
In that time frame he outed 300 Russian Agents to the British. He was never in a position to garner any information about Putin or Trump, in fact he was arrested in 2004 way before Trump would be linked to the US presidency.
Now think on this for a theory, Skripal outed 300 agents, ruined their lives, now wouldn't it be more reasonable for one of these agents to get a bit of revenge on Skripal?



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 01:04 PM
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They were used for a False Flag o the NATO west!

Why does nobody tell us about the major NATO chemical exercise in Salisbury, that ended on exactly the 4th or March, exactly the day the Skripals were used by the MI6, CIA or whatever letter/number agency. But that is just another coincidence, as i bet. Like with all the other mass shootings or terror acts since 9/11, when an "exercise" suddenly turned into something "real".

"It climaxes with a full-scale exercise involving government and industry scientists and more than 300 military personnel, including the RAF Regiment and the RM Band Service – *casualty treatment* was a key part of the *Salisbury* Plain exercise."
www.royalnavy.mod.uk...

How many coincidences does it need till people wake up?
If the brits have any evidence, put it on the table!
Could help people to believe that illogical story! But somehow does the NATO west seem to have no interest to underpin their accusations against russia, with the help of presenting the "irrefutable evidence" they allegedly have.

Reminds me somehow of this:

You can´t even believe the evidence the warmongerers present to the UN and to you live on TV, how should one believe evidence that is not even presented???

But it seems that the anglo-american axis and their sycophants like Merkel-Germany and Macron-France don´t need evidence anymore. A simple"The russians did it" of the anglo-american axis and we jump on that warmongerer train and deport russian diplomats. No wonder under a Merkel, she wanted to send german soldiers to the iraq war and couldn´t fly fast enough to Bush at that time, to apologize for Germany not taking part in a war based on lies!



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

The Telegraph made the link between Skripal and Steele in the days after the incident . The rest is further reading or known shared info regarding Skripal ie the spy swap , he obviously was of some importance . Your proposition that Skripal was of minor importance is outweighed entirely by your subsequent paragraph :




In that time frame he outed 300 Russian Agents to the British. He was never in a position to garner any information about Putin or Trump, in fact he was arrested in 2004 way before Trump would be linked to the US presidency.


That is a large number of outed agents for him to have been 'no one of particular importance' , surely ? He is referred as Commander Skripal .

Consider the ages of those involved , all of them are 65-70 , including Putin , Trump , Steele , Skripal , and at that age there has been plenty of time and space to gather information upon each other . It's a plain fact that Trump has visited Russia at least x number of times , it's also been plainly recorded that Trump has been good friends with Jeffrey Epstein , even passing comment upon his social behaviours . In the past of course , way before any presidency run .



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter

That could certainly tie in , but what one might read from the fact that the 2 events coincided one should be careful of . It wouldnt necessarily indicate a false flag or darker motive of perceived friendly forces at all .
What could be more likely is that the tie may come in at the fact that the incidents were timed to coincide somewhat because the hostile protagonists ( read Russia ) wanted them to . It would send a message that 'we know what you are doing and when you are doing it' , while at the same time making a public statement (like pissing) over a particular territory (read Salisbury) . It appears to be a heinous act for all to see , perhaps primarily including those at Porton Down nearby , and those investigating .
Then again , other explanations are possible



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 03:01 PM
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Steele wasn’t aware that by August, 2016, a similar debate was taking place inside the Obama White House and the U.S. intelligence agencies. According to an article by the Washington Post, that month the C.I.A. sent what the paper described as “an intelligence bombshell” to President Obama, warning him that Putin was directly involved in a Russian cyber campaign aimed at disrupting the Presidential election—and helping Trump win. Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted. (The content of these intercepts has not become public.) But, as the Post noted, the C.I.A.’s assessment that the Russians were interfering specifically to boost Trump was not yet accepted by other intelligence agencies, and it wasn’t until days before the Inauguration that major U.S. intelligence agencies had unanimously endorsed this view. In the meantime, the White House was unsure how to respond. Earlier this year, at the Council on Foreign Relations, former Vice-President Joe Biden revealed that, after Presidential daily briefings, he and Obama “would sit there” and ask each other, “What the hell are we going to do?”


some quotes from this articlewww.newyorker.com... 03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 04:06 PM
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Would Steele end up in a U.S. federal penitentiary? Would a Putin emissary knife him in a dark alley somewhere? In conversations with friends, Steele said he hoped that in five years he’d look back and laugh at the whole experience. But he tended toward pessimism. No matter how the drama turned out, “I will take this to my grave,” he often predicted. A longtime friend of Steele’s pointed out to me that Steele was in a singularly unenviable predicament. The dossier had infuriated both Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump by divulging allegedly corrupt dealings between them. “You’ve got oligarchs running both superpowers,” the friend said. “And, incredibly, they both hate this same guy.” “Actually, I’m pretty sure aging naturally and aging gracefully are mutually exclusive.” Legal experts soon assured Steele that the criminal referral was merely a political stunt. Nevertheless, it marked a tense new phase in the investigation into Trump’s alleged ties to Russia




Two days later, Burrows, of Orbis, was at his home, in Winchester, southwest of London, struggling to express to me how odd and disturbing it was to have his business partner targeted by the President of the United States. A tight-lipped fifty-nine-year-old who is conservative in politics and in manner, Burrows, like Steele, had spent decades as a British intelligence officer. “This whole thing has been quite surreal,” he said. “We are being made into a political football, in U.S. terms, which we really regret. Chris is being accused of being the heart of some Deep State conspiracy, and he’s not even in your state.”




One question particularly gnawed at Simpson. Why had Trump repeatedly gone to Russia in search of business, yet returned empty-handed? Steele was tantalized, and took the job, thinking that he’d find evidence of a few dodgy deals, and not much else. He evidently didn’t consider the danger of poking into a Presidential candidate’s darkest secrets. “He’s just got blinkers,” Steele’s longtime friend told me. “He doesn’t put his head in the oven so much as not see the oven.” Within a few weeks, two or three of Steele’s long-standing collectors came back with reports drawn from Orbis’s larger network of sources. Steele looked at the material and, according to people familiar with the matter, asked himself, “Oh, my God—what is this?” He called in Burrows, who was normally unflappable. Burrows realized that they had a problem. As Simpson later put it, “We threw out a line in the water, and Moby-Dick came back.”




In a fateful decision, Steele chose to include everything. People familiar with the matter say that Steele knew he could either shred the incendiary information or carry on. If he kept investigating, and then alerted officials who he thought should know about his findings, he feared that his life—and, indeed, the life of anyone who touched the dossier—would never be the same. At the time, Steele figured that almost nobody would ever see the raw intelligence. The credibility of Steele’s dossier has been much debated, but few realize that it was a compilation of contemporaneous interviews rather than a finished product. Orbis was just a subcontractor, and Steele and Burrows reasoned that Fusion could, if it wished, process the findings into an edited report for the ultimate client. So Orbis left it up to Fusion to make the judgment calls about what to leave in, and to decide whether to add caveats and source notes of the kind that accompany most government intelligence reports. John Sipher spent twenty-eight years as a clandestine officer in the C.I.A., and ran the agency’s Russia program before retiring, in 2014. He said of Steele’s memos, “This is source material, not expert opinion.” Sipher has described the dossier as “generally credible,” although not correct in every detail. He said, “People have misunderstood that it’s a collection of dots, not a connecting of the dots. But it provided the first narrative saying what Russia might be up to.” Alexander Vershbow, a U.S. Ambassador to Russia under George W. Bush, told me, “In intelligence, you evaluate your sources as best you can, but it’s not like journalism, where you try to get more than one source to confirm something. In the intelligence business, you don’t pretend you’re a hundred per cent accurate. If you’re seventy or eighty per cent accurate, that makes you one of the best.”




n June 24, 2016, Steele’s fifty-second birthday, Simpson called, asking him to submit the dossier. The previous day, the U.K. had voted to withdraw from the E.U., and Steele was feeling wretched about it. Few had thought that Brexit was possible. An upset victory by Trump no longer seemed out of the question. Steele was so nervous about maintaining secrecy and protecting his sources that he sent a courier by plane to Washington to hand-deliver a copy of the dossier. The courier’s copy left the sources redacted, providing instead descriptions of them that enabled Fusion to assess their basic credibility. Steele feared that, for some of his Russian sources, exposure would be a death sentence.



posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 04:42 PM
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TL
R scripal owed wrong ppl money/info. Big boy money play with big boy chips, now and again that chips getting called in. The method suggests state intervention, the motive suggests an old time grudge, bad guys got their hands on 007 style methods, motives are nothing more than personal revenge/ loose strings. Timing is always just when it is, not coincidence neither here nor there.



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