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The Makers and the Takers

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posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou

I may express my opinion if I wish. Don't need your permission.

I'll decide what's better for me. THANKS though.

And actually, I've been screaming about the debt and deficit since it was around four trillion. That's the amount I feel this Country should burden unless it's a time of war.

We could have resolved this problem at that time easily, instead of using it as a football and political tool.

Now, I don't care. You care.
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posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: MiddleInsite

Please don't tell me what you need.............your selfish needs and your willingness to pass the buck says a lot about who you are as a human being. Your attitude is part of the problem............you suffer from me, me, me syndrome.
You keep saying Republicans are at fault but can't see past your bias to see that it's both parties that are at fault. That is basically what this thread is about. So you must be here to just derail this thread.
Have a good day.




posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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To be honest I have no kids and don’t ever plan on any so no I don’t really care in that regard. I do have a little sister that will pick up the bill and that I care ALOT about. I want my sister to grow up in a rich and growing America. I do appreciate your honesty though. Some seem to have lost that these days.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: MiddleInsite
And that's EXACTLY what the Republicans are giving me, and then they are going to give YOUR KIDS the bill.


I'm curious as to why you think it is solely a Republican caused situation. Both parties having spending problems as evidenced by the data. Your home state is a net moocher and it is very blue, I'm not sure if you can blame that on Republicans.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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Im reafy to divide parties by fiscal policy and not social policies.

Fiscal conservative is what people want. Social conservative fiscal liberals is what they get.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Aren't we lucky to have a businessman leader in the WH to guide us back into fiscal responsibility? Total control over both houses is the ticket....

oh wait....



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

Im reafy to divide parties by fiscal policy and not social policies.

Fiscal conservative is what people want. Social conservative fiscal liberals is what they get.


I tend to think the bulk of Americans are fiscally conservative and socially liberal but you're right, we end up with the opposite.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Aren't we lucky to have a businessman leader in the WH to guide us back into fiscal responsibility? Total control over both houses is the ticket....

oh wait....


I don't think even the greatness of Donald J. Trump can solve this problem.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: olaru12
Aren't we lucky to have a businessman leader in the WH to guide us back into fiscal responsibility? Total control over both houses is the ticket....

oh wait....


I don't think even the greatness of Donald J. Trump can solve this problem.


The neocons still pull the strings. It's not political; it's entered the realm of metaphysical, skull and bones stuff.
Behind the curtain and all that jazz....



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
 


There will be, in every society, those who create and those take. Due to the semi-socialistic nature of how our Federal tax dollars our disbursed what has arisen is a disproportionate amount of income tax from states that have a more productive economy and financially successful citizens is taken and given to states that have poorer citizens and weaker economies.

While the standard trope is that the Makers are always states that vote Democrat while the Takers are all Republican is actually not 100% accurate the higher percentage of takers are Red states but there are however mooching Blue states while there are also making Red states.

Is your state a maker or a taker? Let's find out.

The top ten states that are net contributors using the most recent data from 2016, paying more in taxes to the Federal Government than they receive, in descending order are (with the past thee Presidential votes in brackets):
  • Delaware (D/D/D)
  • Minnesota (D/D/D)
  • Illinois (D/D/D)
  • Nebraska (R/R/R)
  • Ohio (R/D/D)
  • Kansas (R/R/R)
  • New York (D/D/D)
  • Colorado (R/D/D)
  • Utah (R/R/R)
  • New Jersey (D/D/D)

The top ten states that are the largest recipients of Federal tax dollars ranked from largest recipient down are:
  • South Carolina (R/R/R)
  • North Dakota (R/R/R)
  • Florida (R/D/D)
  • Louisiana (R/R/R)
  • Alabama (R/R/R)
  • Hawaii (D/D/D)
  • Mississippi (R/R/R)
  • New Mexico (D/D/D)
  • Kentucky (R/R/R)
  • West Virginia (R/R/R)




There were a few surprising and shocking numbers. The one that jumps out immediately is South Carolina, the wellfare queen of the Union, that gets nearly $8 back from the government for every $1 they contribute. Hopefully every one of its residents is driving a BMW and drinking Dom Perignon with all those mountains of cash flowing in.

Another oddity is that favorite target of abuse for its supposed taxation, California, is not in the top ten for either category, coming in at a net contributor by a very small margin and the closest to par in the rankings. And par is where we should all be in a truly non-socialist economy, right?

North Dakota, benefitter of the fracking boom is another mooch getting over $5 back for each dollar contributed. Why are we paying you North Dakota? Use your oil money you cheap bastards.

Florida, with all it's retirees, and poltical flip flopping, is another drain on the Union, getting four fitty so all the blue hairs can get 5:00 dinners on our dime. Make sure you tip well you cheapskates.

Poor little Delaware, corporate tax haven for the country, gets back a measly 50 cents for every buck they mail in, I'd be pissed if I lived there.

Ultra-Red States Nebraska and Kansas are also getting hosed, don't you know you're supposed to be glomming from the Fed's teat you right wingers?

Colorado and Ohio, both with the same voting record, except for weed of course, are both net contributors. Make up your mind, are you Republican or Democrat?

Perhaps it's time to look at how our Federal Taxes get sent out to the repsective states and set a cap on how much of a net contributor or net consumer each state can be permitted. Why should one state get fat on another state's hard work? This is AMerican, goddamn it, and we should keep what we earn. Right? Right.

So no matter if you live in Moochabama or Illannoyedthatyouretakinmymoney we should all reflect on how our bloated and inefficient Federal Government effects tax policy that favors some citizens at the expense of others.

Oh, and you states with your hands out, at least send us a fruit basket or something.

 





I always want to know how the numbers are calculated and the assumptions. For example, some states have large military bases and I've seen some stats count military base spending, so it makes it look like one state is getting a lot from the government when the reality is they don't really have a choice. You also have situations where some states may get large subsidies like farm subsidies. Finally, you have general entitlement spending such as social security, welfare, etc.

I don't think all of these are the same and to be really accurate, you have to break each category out. In addition, I think the state level is too macro level because many red states have huge cities that are largely blue.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: olaru12


It's lobbyists. Plain and simple.

The cash cow is us and they peddle their influence to get their preferred politician(s) to send the graft their way.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
I always want to know how the numbers are calculated and the assumptions. For example, some states have large military bases and I've seen some stats count military base spending, so it makes it look like one state is getting a lot from the government when the reality is they don't really have a choice. You also have situations where some states may get large subsidies like farm subsidies. Finally, you have general entitlement spending such as social security, welfare, etc.


No one should get a subsidy from my pocket. No one.

Run your shizz right or don't run it at all.



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posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Thank you for ruining my Sunday morning.

I never realized how "socialist" the US is as a nation.

I am now sporting a chin-beard and wearing a Che Guevara beret.


My questions would be how do we reverse this? Is it even possible? Do I have to start drinking coffee from tiny cups now?



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I never realized how "socialist" the US is as a nation.


You live in Whoregon, give me my money back!!!!


My questions would be how do we reverse this? Is it even possible? Do I have to start drinking coffee from tiny cups now?


Is it possible? I don't think it is, not unless we set fire to the Capitol while Congress is in session and let their smoldering corpses be a reminder to the next batch.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus


You live in Whoregon, give me my money back!!!!


Can't. Used it all on pot and trees and stuff.



Is it possible? I don't think it is, not unless we set fire to the Capitol while Congress is in session and let their smoldering corpses be a reminder to the next batch.


I'd make some Smores and have some nice hot chocolate. Could I charge it to another state though? I'm a little short this week.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

I'd make some Smores and have some nice hot chocolate. Could I charge it to another state though? I'm a little short this week.


South Carolina can spare the money, they're flush.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy

I'd make some Smores and have some nice hot chocolate. Could I charge it to another state though? I'm a little short this week.


South Carolina can spare the money, they're flush.


Nah, we send it to Atlanta and Charlotte. Some goes to Myrtle. Used to be Myrtle Beach until that last storm...



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: NightFlight


Georgia isn't too bad, they're slightly above par and much better than most.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus




The one that jumps out immediately is South Carolina, the wellfare queen of the Union


I think you may have hurt lindsey's feelings.

I do deeeclair



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky


The truth hurts.

Screw him.




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