Star Trek: The Next Generation Rant

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: intrepid

Let’s be real..

TOS wasn’t very good just a cool premis..


TNG made Star Trek.. it established the status quo and created its place in pop culture.

It's good.

You just have to ignore the jelly bean buttons and Kirk body doubles. If you can't look past that...then I don't see how you could really enjoy anything.

a reply to: Justso

"As we all know, at the end Data was saved."

WTF?!?! no spoiler alert?!



J/K I have all seasons

originally posted by: Autorico
a reply to: Justso

"As we all know, at the end Data was saved."

WTF?!?! no spoiler alert?!



J/K I have all seasons

Needed more Wesley Crusher and Lwaxana Troi eps

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Majel was awesome

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

I don’t just mean the special effects..

Kirk way over acts..

The fight scenes are atrocious..

Some stories are decent but ALOT ARE SUPER childish.

Imho if star terk hadn’t been LITERALLY the only sci fi on television. It is never remembered..

However, it did craft a super cool universe that TNG , DS9 , exc just ran with..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

You're not of the body!

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

I don’t just mean the special effects..

Kirk way over acts..

The fight scenes are atrocious..

Some stories are decent but ALOT ARE SUPER childish.

Imho if star terk hadn’t been LITERALLY the only sci fi on television. It is never remembered..

However, it did craft a super cool universe that TNG , DS9 , exc just ran with..

It was the 1960s. Back then, what we would call overacting was almost the norm on every TV show. And Star Trek was (relatively) low budget (compared to what they had to work with in later years). In those days, they didn't have better actors to choose from. No one had ever heard of Star Trek so who wanted to be involved with it? They were lucky to get who they got.

Star Trek wasn't low budget anymore by the time TNG, DS9 and Voyager came along (Meaning they were pretty much willing to spend whatever it cost). The premiere of TNG was big news at the time because TOS had carried them so far for what it was and what it cost and how long it had been. And it wasn't a sure thing either. The first season of TNG was terrible and I gave up on it (more or less) after the first few episodes. Encounter At Farpoint is still watchable and a few of the first season episodes showed promise but most of it is hard to get through these days if you want to watch all 7 seasons.

The second season wasn't much better. I doubt that show would have gone 7 seasons if the third season hadn't been as amazing as it was. TNG was basically a miracle because it started out so drastically different from what people expected and because they managed to pull it out of the huge tailspin that was the first and (most of the) second seasons. After that, it soared.

Still remember the day it kicked in for me. Yesterday's Enterprise. I hadn't been paying much attention to it and only rarely caught an episode just to see if it ever got any better. I was in school and things were pretty hectic. When I saw that I knew that show was going to get better.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

I don’t consider “it had a low budget” as a good excuse for a show not being good, nor do I think “ it was a different time” is either..

Sure movies/TV quality has improved, but that’s what makes the modern stuff objectively better lol..


I agree 1000% about TNG starting slow.. most shows start slow since the actors haven’t really figured out their characters, yet.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: BrianFlanders

I don’t consider “it had a low budget” as a good excuse for a show not being good

Neither do I. Star Trek wasn't a bad show, either. For it's time, it's goals were very ambitious and it (demonstrably) more than accomplished them. In fact, I'm pretty sure Roddenberry never intended to have so much influence on the world. Like Zephram Cochrane, he probably just wanted booze, money and women. It just so happened.

Star Trek's legacy more than speaks for itself. It might be nearly unwatchable now for some people but it did what it needed to do and that's a success.

I agree 1000% about TNG starting slow.. most shows start slow since the actors haven’t really figured out their characters, yet.

TNG didn't just start slow. It started bad. It wasn't just the actors. It was everything. Many of the stories were as bad as any of the worst TOS stories. Even some of the ones that could have been pretty good (Like Conspiracy and Time Squared) were less than they could have been. Although Time Squared was MUCH better than Conspiracy, IMO.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

IDK..

I think what made TOS special was a great concept and set up. Not really the execution of the series itself ..

At that time the demand for sci fi was huge, but there wasn’t anyone filling that need.


If not for TNG , DS9 I don’t think anyone cares today. I think it would have gone the route of maybe Babylon 5, or some other show with passionate fans, but not mainstream sucess

originally posted by: JoshuaCox


If not for TNG , DS9 I don’t think anyone cares today. I think it would have gone the route of maybe Babylon 5, or some other show with passionate fans, but not mainstream sucess

Like Farscape.

a reply to: intrepid

And Firefly

a reply to: Autorico

Fire fly was the best sci fi series period imho..

I have rewatched prob 4 times.