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Trump Administration Retreats on Tip-Sharing Plan in Compromise

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posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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Good lord. Now these $7.25 cent per hour minimum wage earners are going to get away with it!


The Trump administration has backed away from a proposed regulation that would have allowed restaurant owners and managers to pocket the tips of their workers.

The change was negotiated by Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington, and Labor Secretary R. Alexander Acosta after the proposal encountered months of opposition. Labor advocacy groups argued that the regulation would transfer billions of dollars from workers to employers.

www.nytimes.com...

Further


The spending bill, which President Donald Trump signed into law on Friday, includes a section that makes it clear that employers may not pocket any portion of tips that diners leave for workers.

"We beat them," said Saru Jayaraman, president of the nonprofit Resftaurant Opportunities Center. "I think they realized how outrageous what they were proposing sounded to the public, and basically they backed down."

money.cnn.com...

What I find funny about this entire thing is that when it comes to policy, the Trump administration seems to be more fixated on what the working classes are entitled to. Nevermind the $billions corporations get away with in Tax loopholes in Tax havens. Nevermind the fact the wealthy elite have seen their share in wealth increase exponentially compared to the stagnent working classes. No no, this administrations priority is to worry about how that waitress is taking advantage of all those $4 tips she gets in a week.

Priorities right? What's next?




posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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i guess these days you have to celebrate every retreat from stupid ideas.



posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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The title of this thread should be clearer.



posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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So, trump is looking out for the waitresses and waiters interests. Kind of nice of him to make sure these people aren't screwed by the restaurant owners. I leave a tip for the waitress, not for the owner of the restaurant. I personally banned a restaurant because the tips go to the owner of the restaurant, he automatically has the tip added to the bill on the credit card. I knew a few waitresses there, the restaurant tacks on fifteen percent, they get five percent.



posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse


So, trump is looking out for the waitresses and waiters interests. Kind of nice of him to make sure these people aren't screwed by the restaurant owners. I leave a tip for the waitress, not for the owner of the restaurant. I personally banned a restaurant because the tips go to the owner of the restaurant, he automatically has the tip added to the bill on the credit card.


Ricky are you aware of the administration's stance?


President Donald Trump's Department of Labor wants to give restaurant owners greater control over pooled tips.

The Labor Department announced in December that it would work to undo an Obama-era regulation that stopped employers from collecting and redistributing workers' tips however they wanted if the workers earned the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

www.newsweek.com...

The department claims it's to allow back-of-house staff to get a share of tips generated by the waiters and other service employees. The problem with this explanation is that there's no gaurantee. The proposed change would give employers power to collect these tips and that's it. From there the employers would dictate.



posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 11:59 PM
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Politics 101. Make a statement about something no one would be for. When the opposition gives you something, in return for not going through with a bad idea, then the opposition didn't really get anything, but Trump did get something using that bad idea. I think I will coin a new Term. Trumpolitics. #Trumpolitics. #OurleadersRstupid. #Keeptheoppositionconfused.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

Are we still going with the excuse 'it's all part of Trump's master plan' game? We're sticking with this excuse? Because after this recent spending bill he signed in, the deficits set to incur over the next 10 years, his lackluster move on his promises, his appointments of establishment hacks like Bolton, he's not looking too bright at all.

At want point do you concede he just sucks at following up on his promises and commitments?



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:20 AM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: rickymouse


So, trump is looking out for the waitresses and waiters interests. Kind of nice of him to make sure these people aren't screwed by the restaurant owners. I leave a tip for the waitress, not for the owner of the restaurant. I personally banned a restaurant because the tips go to the owner of the restaurant, he automatically has the tip added to the bill on the credit card.


Ricky are you aware of the administration's stance?


President Donald Trump's Department of Labor wants to give restaurant owners greater control over pooled tips.

The Labor Department announced in December that it would work to undo an Obama-era regulation that stopped employers from collecting and redistributing workers' tips however they wanted if the workers earned the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

www.newsweek.com...

The department claims it's to allow back-of-house staff to get a share of tips generated by the waiters and other service employees. The problem with this explanation is that there's no gaurantee. The proposed change would give employers power to collect these tips and that's it. From there the employers would dictate.



The first paragraph of the OP actually says that Trump signed the bill backing away from restaurant owners being able to take the tips. I do not know what his initial stance was. I do know that many waitresses here make as much as a construction worker in a day, all because of their tips.

If I leave a tip, I leave it to the waitress, how much I leave is figured on how good of a job the waitress does. If she is rude and does nothing, the tip is small or absent. If she does good and is friendly then the tip could be fifty percent of my order. I do not blame a waitress if the kitchen is slow, but I expect the waitress to come by and fill the coffee. and be polite.

I would like to see Obama's law he passed to see what kind of other stuff it contained in it. Obama's law from the newsweek article only stated that it applied to those that made minimum wage, here, some waitresses get less than minimum, the tips are figured in as part of their wage. But they make good money most times. Now someone working at McDs does not make much tips, in fact I never tip a fast food restaurant worker. They do not refill your coffee for you here, they do not come and give you new water nor pick up your dishes.. They do not deliver your all you can eat fish.

I usually do not tip the hostess at a chinese restaurant buffet either, you get everything yourself and there are no waitresses.
edit on 25-3-2018 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:20 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian




Are we still going with the excuse 'it's all part of Trump's master plan' game?


Well he is running things. It very well could be.




We're sticking with this excuse?


It seems to be the answer that piss's off the opposition, so yeah.




Because after this recent spending bill he signed in, the deficits set to incur over the next 10 years,


In case you haven't noticed, it has been going up for quiet some time.




his lackluster move on his promises





www.politifact.com...


And that is just after 1 year in office. So maybe your confusing Trump with Obama.




his appointments of establishment hacks like Bolton, he's not looking too bright at all.


And yet he is still doing more for America than most of his predecessors, especially the one's in the last 30 years.




At want point do you concede he just sucks at following up on his promises and commitments?


When he get as bad for America as Obama was, and he has a long way to go to get that bad.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:34 AM
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a reply to: 3daysgone



It seems to be the answer that piss's off the opposition, so yeah.


If your priority for this administration is 'pissing off the opposition' then so be it. It's hard to have a decent debate with somebody of this kind of partisan mindset. He's also doing a fantastic job in that area too by signing a bill that only offers a tiny fraction of what he wanted for his wall. He's pretty happy about it right?

Let's remember the GOP control congress, Trump's own party.


In case you haven't noticed, it has been going up for quiet some time.


Oh I've noticed, and Trump's just fast-tracked those deficits. So much for fiscal conservatism. Is this what years of hollers from Tea partiers and other conservatives amounts to? A deficit king in office?

Ah why bother, you don't care.



www.politifact.com...

And that is just after 1 year in office. So maybe your confusing Trump with Obama.


Did you read your link? 8.8% of promises. What are you on about?


And yet he is still doing more for America than most of his predecessors,


Oh yes he's doing a lot more, but you can't seem to show what or where.




posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

but he didn't sign that regulation.

Trump may not be a great leader or president but we can at least judge the administration based on what they do not what they didn't.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 03:03 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

So the TL : DR version of your thread is Trump protect workers who rely on tips. So why are you complaining yet again?


edit on 2018/3/25 by Metallicus because: Sp



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 03:26 AM
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You did know that employers pay only basic wages which is less than $3/hour (or was) under the understanding the employees' tips make up for that tremendous deficit ?
No ?
In other words , while not paying the employees the basic minimum they want to take the employees rightful money ?
How bout informing yourself before you form an opinion...

edit on 3/25/18 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 03:50 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

a reply to: Metallicus


The Department of Labour has proposed a new regulation that would allow businesses to collect tips earned by their employees and either redistribute them to non-tipped workers or keep them as part of their own profits.

The proposal – a win for the powerful National Restaurant Association – has outraged critics, and a new report from the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute found it would transfer $US5.8 billion per year from workers to employers, with nearly 80% of these tips taken from female workers.


www.businessinsider.com...

Trump's department of Labour. Trump appointed secretary of labour. They've then tried to compromise and now they've backed off from their initial proposal to strip those tips - giving powers to restaurant owners to do as they please with those tips.

Reading comprehension.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

At least he backed off..

It would have killed the restraunt industry.. all the servers would have quit.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 04:55 AM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: Gothmog

a reply to: Metallicus


The Department of Labour has proposed a new regulation that would allow businesses to collect tips earned by their employees and either redistribute them to non-tipped workers or keep them as part of their own profits.

The proposal – a win for the powerful National Restaurant Association – has outraged critics, and a new report from the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute found it would transfer $US5.8 billion per year from workers to employers, with nearly 80% of these tips taken from female workers.


www.businessinsider.com...

Trump's department of Labour. Trump appointed secretary of labour. They've then tried to compromise and now they've backed off from their initial proposal to strip those tips - giving powers to restaurant owners to do as they please with those tips.

Reading comprehension.

Which , in most cases would be a violation of the contract between employer-employee
Just plain comprehension...
The main case is tips are usually either set by the restaurant or mostly by quality of service. SO , that would mean that the labor department is going full blown socialist....take from the ones THAT EARNED IT and give to the unrighteous slackers...
See how you are....
Good for the Don..

edit on 3/25/18 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

If trump was looking out for the “little guy”, they don’t have to back off this policy change.. they don’t try and change it in the first place..


He ran from this due to push back, not because he didn’t want to do it..

If he didn’t want to do it he doesn’t change the obama policy that stated “all tips belong to the server..”


Duh...


That is like saying ..



“Trump is such a hero... he set up nuclear weapons all around the planet, so he could destroy the planet. Then he decided not to use them.. what a hero..”

Lol



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 05:37 AM
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It's hard to have a decent debate with somebody of this kind of partisan mindset


Yeah, we've noticed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&list=threads



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: DAVID64

You've noticed what? That I've attacked Trump on valid issues? I'm glad you've noticed that David. Fantastic.




posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 05:49 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

The ultimate deal maker right? Who couldn't make a deal to save his life. Carrier, Obamacare, the wall, the budget, the guy can't make a deal for anything. Now he's backed away from this because, yet again, he's been proven hopeless, and his supporters frantically try on mental gymnastics to cover it up.




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