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Originally posted by Zabilgy
I had this debate already on here with a gentleman and he was quite offended with what I had to say, but I asked him "When was the last time a cure was found for a serious disease?" and he of course had no answer. It's been a very long time.
There is much proof out there that AIDS was man made....so I asked him where is the cure for that? If we made it, didn't we make a cure?
Certainly I am aware of the theories surrounding the origin of AIDS. I am more than a little familiar with them. I've read most of Gallo's old grant applications and several books that suggest this. That it's "commonly known today that AIDS was a manufactured disease" is a overstatement at the very least. Certainly some agree with that, and admittedly, there exists some evidence in support of this hypothesis. This doesn't make it so though.
I'm going to find the thread where I had this heated debate with this gentleman and post it here
check out this thread:
Originally posted by marg6043
Something else that most people doesn't know is that the money for the research used by the pharmaceuticals is our own tax payer money, but when they discover something new, they keep all the profits.
Seems to me that the only free thing you can get is if you are lucky enough to get into one of their trials.
Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I have a friend who is a programmer. He writes software for some firm that works on Cancer research. He acknowledged that grants are manipulated for those research dollars and administrative puropses.
How much or our reseach money really hits the labs. Do we really need to have foundation? It seems to me that allot of the money in medical research provides an awfull lot of desk positions. I would think it would be more Microbiologists and chemists.....
Theres something ugly about the Pharmecuticals and the disease research. Once the cure is found, all those office jobs, IT jobs, buildings,,,everything vaporizes. Much like the result of socialized health care.
Its about the money. There is no rush to cure, for finding the cure puts people out of work. Those people that work within that industry know within their heart of hearts, the thought that goes go through there head when a memo says they may be on to a cure. omg....where will I work?
Am I wrong?
I do beleive there are company out their on mission of nobility. I wasnt meaning to refer to all. But somehow in the back of my mind, the whole pricing war, when I have a former mother in Law gettting nailed on Meds, seemed to be an outrageous debacle.
Not all research scientists are corporate goons, agreed.
1. Corporate dollars are the only dollars that matter.
Without dollars, research is impossible.
Colleges have always relied on corporate dollars private labs would be nearly impossible without that money.
All the advances in medicine of modern calibre are owed to money.
There are thousands upon thousands of good scientists in this country, I know that for a fact.
I also know the drug companies, chemical companies, and oil companies collude to increase market capitalization without regard for quality of life issues.
Important research can and does get lost in the shuffle.
Important research can and does get crushed by biased pronouncements by the money-beholden elders of the medical fraternity.
"If it can't be patented, who will make money off of it?"
2. A growing percentage of working research scientists in America are not American. They are foreign nationals in the country on work visas.
They're expendable in our government's eyes, and you can bet if one of them proved marijuana cured FMD, the poor bastard wouldn't live long enough to tell another living soul.
We live in a capitalist 'paradise' here in America. The ideals of capitalism, well I don't even have to remind you. Money is survival, survive at any cost, GO! How can a profession with a motto of "First, do no harm" take itself seriously when it's under the boot of reptilian sensibilities. If we lived in a socialist society, I can imagine medicine having honest vigour and righteous standing in the community. But modern doctors have been reduced to federally approved drug dealers. Those doctors who care about their patients, and provide holistic cures for their suffering patients, those are the men deemed quacks! We live in an insane society where everything is backwards. The AMA kills more and more people every year by virtue of its refusal to admit its mistakes. The ideals of modern cutthroat capitalism and the medical profession have to be reconciled.
By the way, mattison, are you working on the New Military Research Project?
Lets stay stay on Topic
Can you explain to me again why the pharmecuticals we attempting to regulate Americans going to Canada for Meds? It wasnt about money was it?
What I am saying is that as I sit here, I bet there are drug firms that have determined that there are some Silver Bullet cures that have not been released due to profitability.
And from what Ive read in history, when some of these cures do come out, they are priced accordingly. Equivalent to the maintainance and more.
As far as grants go...dont get me started. Ill say DOD grants. They dont get much tougher. Im familiar with the process.
There are people who are professional grant writers. Their job is to be sure that you get the money by saying all the right things.
Now you can dispute that all you want, but when your in need of a refuel on your grant, sometimes the rules get bent. After all...when the grant runs out...its your job.
My intent wasnt to slam grants as we do indeed need research. My intent was Silver Bullet cures being shelved in the name of profit. Could you imagine the outrage?
Originally posted by Ambient Sound
I've always thought that they can probably already cure baldness, but if they cured it, then they wouldn't be able to sell much Rogaine, would they?
Originally posted by Zabilgy
Ah, hello, back when we had none of the resources we have today we cured Polio, Small Pox, Rubella (whatever that is), Syphillis, Ghonnorea, Anthrax, Bubonic Plague (is that the same as Anthrax)....etc.....
and these were done a lonmg time ago...what have you scientists done for us lately??
Originally posted by Zabilgy
No conspiracy here? Bull crap! You say yourself there is much evidence that AIDS was man made. Why?
And we know you're some kind of scientist, but when you speak to us non-scientists can you try and speak in a language we can understand. Your points are lost in your medical terminology.
If a vaccine keeps a disease from happening, then as far as I'm concerned it's a cure.....
If some scientists like yourself want to bring those diseases back and infect people with them, then that's pretty sick!
That the drug companys have not released the " Silver Bullet " cures because they tend to profit more on the sustained maintainance rather then the cure.
I believe this to be the case without having read any investigations at all.
Only those people who work for fascilities that work on things like this would know. Past Biochemists, and whatever else. [bold added by Mattison0922]
if it was created by man, it could have been released accidentally
So, again, I say if you've got evidence of this alleged to conspiracy to suppress valuable medical cures then let's talk about it.
Hmmmm... perhaps you've forgotten the other thread where we've discussed this: What have we done lately: Entirely new classes of anti-viral drugs, including nucleoside analogs, non-nucleoside analogs, protease inhibitors, drugs that inhibit attachment, drugs that inhibit resistance genes in bacteria, RNA interference also looks promising, therapeutic proteins, including heat shock proteins, antibodies, drugs based on molecular modeling studies... human skin grafts grown in tissue culture, a method to combat SCIDS (bubble boy syndrome), a potential HIV vaccine, methods for earlier diagnosis and detection of cancer, lasik.... hmmmm, can probably think of and locate lots more, but these were just off the top of my head.
You need to chill
Originally posted by Zabilgy
Could have.....but QUITE UNLIKELY!! HIV was created to control the population and to achieve that by getting rid of what many consider to be people that are less than human: drug addicts and homosexuals....and possibly blacks if you look at how wide spread it is in Africa!
I never said I had evidence. I stated what I believe to be true based on what I've read and based on common sense. Also based on the fact that big business runs this country and big business makes big money off of sick people!!
This basically says that a lot of research is being done and nothing is actually being accomplished by that research......that there are things that are happening that have potential...and lots of people are making a lot of money off of that "potential".......
Chill what? Chill a bottle of wine? Maybe a nice Chianti? Then what??