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The China-U.S. trade war thread.

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posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: sunShines


It's a long way off to be predicting what the Chinese commercial airline industry will look like considering they barely have one now.




posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

China build J-20. Lots of experience from that. American demographics don't look so good. Chinese are surpassing Americans in planes.

BTW I'm Chinese and I prefer China not import from another country.
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posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

It might be too late for "backing down". Those articles say China released the list of the 128 products a week or so ago, but didn't implement the tariffs until yesterday. So I'm thinking that the week delay was the time frame to back down or renegotiate.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: sunShines
China build J-20. Lots of experience from that.


That's a military fighter aircraft and not designed in nearly the same way as passenger aircraft.


Chinese are surpassing Americans in planes.


Last I saw they built only two C919s with almost all orders coming from China. Not exactly a global leader at this point.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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Tariffs or not, America should not trade with a dictatorship like China. Not good image for the world's greatest democracy.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: sunShines
Tariffs or not, America should not trade with a dictatorship like China. Not good image for the world's greatest democracy.


Why? We traded with the Soviet Union.

Plus you like our booze way too much for us to cut you off.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: sunShines
Tariffs or not, America should not trade with a dictatorship like China. Not good image for the world's greatest democracy.


Why? We traded with the Soviet Union.


There was only limited trade after 1985 after Gorbachev normalized relation with US and promised to disband USSR.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: sunShines
There was only limited trade after 1985 after Gorbachev normalized relation with US and promised to disband USSR.


It peaked in 1979, well before then. Stop spreading bull.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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China is a dictatorship where the major industries are state owned, not like in the US where they are public owned. China has massive subsidies the US does not have. America only loses when trading with China. So if I were Trump I stop trading with China.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: sunShines
So if I were Trump I stop trading with China.


Right. Makes total sense to stop trading with your largest partner.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: sunShines
China build J-20. Lots of experience from that.


That's a military fighter aircraft and not designed in nearly the same way as passenger aircraft.


China build Y-20 transport plane which is very similar to an airliner. Lots of experience from that. Anyway, the point is, China will not buy planes from the US when it does not have to.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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Not a lot of those out in the world either.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: sunShines


Not a lot of those out in the world either.


My point is China US trade is not sustainable. China only buys from the US what it needs to, but won't when it inevitably won't need to.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: sunShines
My point is China US trade is not sustainable. China only buys from the US what it needs to, but won't when it inevitably won't need to.


You're pretty ignorant how global trade functions. At no point in it's future will China, or any other country, be entirely self-sufficient.

You're already losing business to other Southeast Asian countries due to the growing Chinese middle class and lower wages out of the country. Your economy is not sustainable, especially considering you've been cooking the books for so long.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: sunShines
My point is China US trade is not sustainable. China only buys from the US what it needs to, but won't when it inevitably won't need to.


You're pretty ignorant how global trade functions. At no point in it's future will China, or any other country, be entirely self-sufficient.

You're already losing business to other Southeast Asian countries due to the growing Chinese middle class and lower wages out of the country. Your economy is not sustainable, especially considering you've been cooking the books for so long.


Oh I don't think so. China is the middle kingdom, the center of the world. China pride is what you Americans do not understand.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: sunShines
Oh I don't think so. China is the middle kingdom, the center of the world. China pride is what you Americans do not understand.


That's cute, it doesn't change reality.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: sunShines
Oh I don't think so. China is the middle kingdom, the center of the world. China pride is what you Americans do not understand.


That's cute, it doesn't change reality.


The reality is China will soon be a major competitor of the US on the global market when it comes to planes and many other sectors. America never should have established diplomatic relation with China and ditched Taiwan.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:50 AM
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Would've, should've.

The reality is what it is and your country is going to face many of the same issues only at a more accelerated rate due to the rapidly changing global landscape.

Remember, the Japanese were supposed to eat our lunch back in the 1990's. You're not immune from the same shortcomings.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: nwtrucker

It might be too late for "backing down". Those articles say China released the list of the 128 products a week or so ago, but didn't implement the tariffs until yesterday. So I'm thinking that the week delay was the time frame to back down or renegotiate.


There's backing down and there's 'backing down', in the sense that negotiations can take place at any point as this process escalates.

The more I see, the more I'm leaning to the view that China grew too fast, way too fast and is suffering as a result. Investing in space, heavy investing in Africa. Investing in the SCA and their military. Now pouring monies into Sri Lanka in their little 'war' with India.

Add in the leveraging of their debt-apparently larger than the U.S.'s- based on a 15% per year growth rate, and it's starting to look like a runaway train.

So yes, I think China is the one going 'all in' and it's going to backfire.Not many hold that view, I admit. But that's how I see it.
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posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
So yes, I think China is the one going 'all in' and it's going to backfire.Not many hold that view, I admit.


I do. 100%.

The company I work for manufactures in China and we're feeling the pinch. Our newest factory is almost fully automated so we don't have to pay workers to do manual labor that robotics can handle like they do in other countries.







 
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