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originally posted by: amicktd
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: amicktd
There is a lot of lower income families that buy MJ at the current street prices. Obviously I don’t have percentages, but I think if they just legalized it and allowed people to grow their own pot. It would save lower income families a ton of money with minimal gov intervention.
Sure, give em all a lic to sell it and what could go wrong?
That wasn’t my point. I grew up extremely poor and watched not only my parents but most people’s parents openly smoke marijuana. Yet they could barely pay the bills. My point was if they weren’t spending hundreds of dollars a month on MJ and was allowed to just grow it on their own it would probably be more effective than some UBi. Plus what would the difference be with alcohol. You can legally make alcohol in your own home to a certain extent, yet we don’t have millions of people dealing alcohol. So I’m unsure what effect if any the licensing thing you mention would change.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
at work yesterday i started to think about universal basic income. now i know basically nothing about it other than the premise of a money for citizens.
so i started to think that if MJ was legalized federally and taxed there would be money to support this universal income for all adult citizens.
again i know nothing about it so in my thoughts i was thinking like 10 grand a year to every adults. or to every household. the exact particulars are not important at this time.
so lets go with 10 grand per household per year.
that would help so many people. that would pay my rent and a couple bills for the entire year.
i think this would go a long way to relieving stress from a lot of people. it would also give people more disposable income that they could put into the economy and pay taxes at local levels.
people would buy vehicles that otherwise wouldnt be able to. things like that.
i was thinking the trade off could be since all households are getting 10 grand a hear then no more food stamps. no more welfare checks. no more WIC program.
this all sounds great and i think it could be great but we have the human factor.
the human factor is a great deal of people are just going to piss that money away and be in the same shape they were. needing public assistance.
so on that end what to do?
the idea is cut those programs cause people will not need it. reality is people will still need it
can/should the government tell people to # off. you got your 10 grand. not my problem till next year when you get your next 10?
they probably should. but can they really?
there is a level of responsibility to take care of its citizens.
then we get in a situation where people get the 10 large and are still on the programs.... that is not the way to go.
so in a perfect world i think legalization to fund universal basic income among other things is a great idea. i think it would relieve huge amounts of stress on people. it would go a long way to putting a dent in people being homeless. it would put money into the economy cause people would have more to spend.
in our world i think people are gonna # that up.
not all of course but a lot are just gonna piss it away and then still need public assistance.
i want universal basic income to work but i dont think it would.
what do you think?
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: amicktd
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: amicktd
There is a lot of lower income families that buy MJ at the current street prices. Obviously I don’t have percentages, but I think if they just legalized it and allowed people to grow their own pot. It would save lower income families a ton of money with minimal gov intervention.
Sure, give em all a lic to sell it and what could go wrong?
That wasn’t my point. I grew up extremely poor and watched not only my parents but most people’s parents openly smoke marijuana. Yet they could barely pay the bills. My point was if they weren’t spending hundreds of dollars a month on MJ and was allowed to just grow it on their own it would probably be more effective than some UBi. Plus what would the difference be with alcohol. You can legally make alcohol in your own home to a certain extent, yet we don’t have millions of people dealing alcohol. So I’m unsure what effect if any the licensing thing you mention would change.
I thought the UBI was based on pot sales.
My grandma made booze in the 20's and 30's but sold it. Not for her own stash.
Anyway, if people don't have to spend money buying their habit, what good is that gonna do for anyone else?
the roads here are arguably the worst I've seen throughout many states
originally posted by: skunkape23
Free money for everyone!
Puff and pass, Bogart.
originally posted by: schuyler
Let me get this straight. Legalizing and taxing pot is enough to give everyone $10K per year??? What are you smoking?
Food and nutrition assistance programs ($108 billion) and temporary assistance for needy families ($17 billion) is removed.
Likewise the following are also replaced with basic income: The earned income credit ($73 billion), the child tax credit ($56 billion), home ownership tax expenditures ($340 billion), married filing jointly preferential tax treatment ($70 billion), the tax break on pensions ($160 billion), fossil fuel subsidies ($33 billion), and treating capital gains differently than ordinary income ($160 billion).