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John Bolton Paid Cambridge Analytica To Make Facebook Users Less 'limp-wristed' About War.

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posted on Mar, 24 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

Source for the info you provided?




posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Trump placing another Swamper into the Light ?

😎


It's encouraging that liberals are so strongly against Bolton as the National Security Advisor. He should be more visible than H.R. McMaster was. (Which isn't going to be hard to do.)



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

Not a big fan of Mr Bolton, he comes across as a loose cannon. Of course as other people have said,as things have been going, he probably wont be in the administration long enough to do any damage

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posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: gortex

The answer is there. Bolton is a war hawk, he wants to send the USA into another war, and has advocated such time and time again, to flex its military muscle. Trump likes what the man is telling him and now he has the position to help make those positions. If I had to guess as to why, then when looking at history, the answer is that Trump is wanting to go to War. War's help redirect peoples attention away from issues at home, the news will be focused on such and less on what is going on in DC, and in some cases, Presidents who get the country into a war, tend to serve for 2 terms. Looking at GW Bush, who served from January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009, one can see that even with the failures of some domestic policies, such as the response to Katrina, he still served for 2 terms.


However, I think that the President and even Bolton is not reading the people correctly. The people are tired of the endless conflicts of sending troops to different parts of the world, of seeing the troops come back scared, wounded or dead. The percentage of people who are not wanting such is right now far greater than those who do. And it will take time for that to change.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

The war in Korea never ended so it is impossible for anyone to start another war. Research the history of N. Koreas nuclear program and you will see a disturbing trend.

Negotiations and appeasement, foreign aid, lessening of sanctions - DOES NOT WORK and never has.
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posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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I am well aware of the history of Korea, including that the hostilities between North and South Korea, was put on pause for a signed armistice.

What I was pointing out is that the pictures that are being shown, is of the test area. It is probably radioactive due to the testing that took place there, leaving the question if they have a viable weapon that can be produced and used. Once they have the science and engineering down, then there is no longer any need to do any testing.

From the get go, I have stated that this is a trap and that this is going to be weighted in favor of North Korea. Yes they can show, that they are no longer testing nuclear weapons. So they are seeking either an easement of the sanctions, or a lifting of such. And by going and sitting down with the USA. And therein lies the trap.

If there is no movement or the US walks away, North Korea wins and has the propaganda to use on its people and to show to others, like China that the USA is bullying them and they are the victim. If the USA stays and talks and starts diplomatic relations, and talks, then it can show that it has slowed or stopped its testing and is no longer needing such, thus there should be a gradual easing or removal of the sanctions. And here again, it wins.

Sanctions and isolation does not work either.



posted on Mar, 25 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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Facebook makes people think certain ways? Conspiracy of the century.

Wylie, the whistleblower, is from my town, and made claims about how he was integral to the building of a local analytics firm here. The firm has called him out as a liar.
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posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




Negotiations and appeasement, foreign aid, lessening of sanctions - DOES NOT WORK and never has.

And war does ?
When the only choice is dialogue dialogue is the only choice.



posted on Mar, 27 2018 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Xcathdra




Negotiations and appeasement, foreign aid, lessening of sanctions - DOES NOT WORK and never has.

And war does ?
When the only choice is dialogue dialogue is the only choice.


The Empire of Japan and the Nazis were defeated were they not?

Diplomacy first above all else. However you need a plan B if diplomacy fails. As I was pointing out there are some regimes on this planet where diplomacy is not in their vocabulary. Appeasement does nothing but embolden.



posted on Mar, 27 2018 @ 07:04 AM
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Considering all media and info in N. Korea is controlled by the government and anyone listening to or watching media from elsewhere are executed...

As for nukes you are a bit off base. Nuclear weapons still need to be tested on occasion to ensure reliability. The US and other nuclear powers have the technology to use computer simulations in place of actual testing.

N. Korea on the other hand does not and needs the tests for their specific program.

If the mountain where they do underground testing completely collapses, like it is on the verge of doing now, China is going to be pissed. They have already warned N. Korea that a collapse would affect their territory on the border.

If sanctions and diplomacy does not work and the US walks the only winner is the N. Korean government but only because of their propaganda. To the rest of the world it shows that after 50+ years of hostility on the heels of a war that N. Korea has backed themselves into a wall all on their own.

They have been given every shot under the sun and then some and failed to seize the moment.



posted on Mar, 27 2018 @ 02:37 PM
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Once a country has a viable weapon, there is no more need for testing. The technology is there to make it. The only reason to continue on testing is to make a bigger and more destructive weapon. For example take the new nuclear torpedo that Russia says that it recently developed. It is partially true, as Russia already had the know how to make a 100 MT bomb, that it tested, back in 1961. It has not conducted a nuclear test since, 1990. So the only reason why it did not need to retest, is that it had the data, the know how and the technical means to recreate this weapon once again.

So North Korea does not need to keep continuing to test if it has a viable weapon, unless it is trying to make a bigger one, one that is more destructive. So there are 2 reasons why the testing has stopped. It either has a viable weapon, or it ran out of material, and cannot continue to build and test.

While China may be upset at North Korea, it is not going to sit by and let North Korea fall. It does not want to deal with the refugees in mass number from North Korea. And in the past no matter how many sanctions that the US or other countries put on North Korea, China and to some extent Russia have mainly either ignored or blocked at every means possible. Like it or not China is partially responsible for this mess, and they are going to have to be part of the solution. Right now they are ticked off at North Korea, but make no mistake, what is seen on the surface is what they want to know, however we do not know what all is going on behind the scene where people are not able to see.

And the mountain that is at question, where North Korea has been doing testing, it is not the collapse that the Chinese are worried about, but the spread of radioactive waste, and that would irritate them. But they are not going to abandon their neighbor, for they would lose too much.

I think that this was set up by China, careful maneuvering and worded statements, to where North Korea has to sit down with the USA. It is a gambit and one that is weighted in favor of North Korea and China. And the USA took the bait.

Now you are saying it has been given every shot under the sun, but has it? It has been isolated, demonized and slandered at any and every chance by the USA and western powers. The only real ally of North Korea has been the Chinese. Who do you think has been supporting the country since the Korean conflict, and continues to do such to this very day? That would be China.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 02:54 AM
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Again you are incorrect on the testing, especially in North Koreas case. While N. Korea has tested nuclear weapons in order to get them onto warheads or sub launched they have to perfect miniaturization technology to get the warheads small enough to fit. That means more testing to make sure the miniaturization works correctly where you still get a nuclear explosion.

Since its to detailed to get into for this thread I will post this link -
* - Wiki - Nuclear weapons testing

You will find there is more to it than just getting a nuclear detonation. North Korea is the only nuclear state that still uses detonation testing. Since N. Korea removed themselves from the UN NPT and other nuclear agreements they dont comply with the requirements for testing.

As for China they already made it clear to N. Korea that if they trigger a resumption of the Korean war China will not assist. China stated N. Korea starting a war is not covered under their treaties. Back in the wikileak cable releases a Chinese diplomat also stated that China would be ok with a unified Korea under Seoul. The only caveat China has was any foreign military units stationed in Korea must remain south of the 38th parallel.

China has already repositioned a large number of military units and border units along their border with N. Korea. They have also begun construction camps should something occur and they face an influx of N. Korean refugees. Chinese soldiers who speak Korean have also been increased in those units.

As for the Mountain the collapse is exactly what they are worried about. Right now the mountain itself contains the nuclear byproducts from the testing. If the test site / mountain collapses that material will escape.

The Chinese people have no desire to defend N. Korea. They view N. Korea as a sponge taking Chinese resources / financing etc with getting nothing in return except for complicated relations with other countries over N. Korea's actions. The mindset under Mao, defending a brother communist country, went out the window with the current generations of Chinese who enjoy a higher standard of living / quality of life.

Any was with N. Korea places Chinese gains in jeopardy. China is not going to destroy their relations with other countries and destroy their own economy to protect N. Korea. Relations soured when Un had his uncle executed. His uncle was the link to China and when he was executed it pissed China off. He compounded that by murdering his half brother, who was under Chinese protection at the time. Un picked the country his half brother was assassinated in because that country did not allow armed Chinese security details into the country.

North Korea has been given every chance under the sun. North Korea has backed out of every single agreement they made and usually that occurs right after sanctions are lifted / after they receive the aid.

As for who supports N. Korea its pretty much China and to a lesser extent Russia. The USSR was the country who built N. Koreas first nuclear reactor and that reactor produced the nuclear material needed for a nuclear weapons program.

As I said China is not going to set themselves back decades to protect N. Korean. Especially when the Chinese leadership doesnt like Un.

Un's half brother was assassinated because Un got word that China was making plans to eliminate Un and replace him with his half brother. Un's uncle was involved which is why he was also executed. A Chinese intelligence officer got wind of what was going on and tipped off N. Korea to the plan. This became evident when N. Korea all of a sudden began attacking the Chinese government in their media.

China will not go to war over N. Korea. Looking beyond N. Korea, should China defend N. Korea they open the door for full diplomatic recognition of Taiwan as an independent nation from the west.

What action do you think China places a higher priority on - defending N. Korea and all of its problems or Taiwan and not taking any actions that would see the west drop the one China policy?



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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No, I am not incorrect on this and here is how:

When the US first developed the first atomic bomb, and detonated it at the Trinity test site: 07/16/1945, it showed a viable weapon but a bit unwieldy. However it was put into immediate use less than a month after that and on 08/06/1945 the first times a nuclear weapon was used in a war, and that was Hiroshima. Even if the US did not continue to test, it still had the fundamental knowledge and technical details on how to make and put together this kind of weapon. All other tests were designed and developed to push the destructive power and to create far greater weapons that do more damage, along with the systems that make it easier to deliver. And looking at a list of the tests from any of the nuclear powers shows that point.
Take Russia, for example, they worked and developed the biggest bomb of all, the Tsar Bomba, viable in 1961, but were only used as a last strike weapon, due to the lack of a delivery system to use effectively. Come forward about 40 years, and now you have Putin, where he is claiming to have a torpedo that can deliver it. Now Russia has not done any nuclear weapons testing, yet has a viable weapon. The knowledge was there. And chances are there were also a few viable weapons as well, and they just changed the delivery method.

China is not going to abandon North Korea.
www.cfr.org...
www.newyorker.com...

Initially, you are correct; China will not assist North Korea, if it throws the first punch and breaks the armistice. It will let North Korea, take a few lumps and then come in and aid them at the last moment. It did that the last time. However, if Trump orders and there is a first strike against North Korea on the part of the USA, then China will over run the boarders and join the North Koreans in that conflict.
Tensions between China and North Korea are easing up, the state visit shows that. It also shows that China still has a very active interest in Korea. And the people of China are going to do what the government tells them to. The policy, from what can be seen, is that dissention is never accepted at all, and is discouraged if not stopped. In short the people toe the line, keep silent or get punished. China actively suppressed expression.
And when it comes to the assassinations of the half brother and uncle, may have disturbed the Chinese, however what were they disturbed about, the murder of that there was enough implication to show that several high ranking governmental officials were breaking a cardinal rule of directly interfering in the government of another country, in the planning of a coup against Kim Jon Un?
And where do you think that the majority of the aid to North Korea has been coming from for all of those years? China has supplied the majority of aid, and supplies to North Korea time and time again.

China may let North Korea suffer, and think it is on its own, however it is not going to let it drop nor allow for it to fall, nor will it allow for the USA to try to do a government change in that country.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: Xcathdra
No, I am not incorrect on this and here is how:

When the US first developed the first atomic bomb, and detonated it at the Trinity test site: 07/16/1945, it showed a viable weapon but a bit unwieldy. However it was put into immediate use less than a month after that and on 08/06/1945 the first times a nuclear weapon was used in a war, and that was Hiroshima. Even if the US did not continue to test, it still had the fundamental knowledge and technical details on how to make and put together this kind of weapon. All other tests were designed and developed to push the destructive power and to create far greater weapons that do more damage, along with the systems that make it easier to deliver. And looking at a list of the tests from any of the nuclear powers shows that point.


You are, indeed, incorrect. it is true that many of the early tests were made to push how destructive they could make the bombs, but they were also testing different bomb designs. Making the bombs more efficient so that they could use less material for the same "boom". They were also testing for more simple designs that were less costly to manufacture.

There became a point were the designs were sufficiently optimized that delivery of the weapon was much easier. The first "h-bombs" required an entire B-36 bomber to carry a single weapon. A highly inefficient use of a large and expensive aircraft. Now there exists very small weapons weighing only around 51 points (W54). How many of these size weapons could fit on an aircraft? Hundreds?

Just like conventional weapons, a nuclear weapon isn't a one size fits all piece of equipment. Different nukes serve different purposes.

Some of the very large weapons that were designed in the 50s and 60s were designed that way because the delivery systems were wildly inaccurate. If you could only deliver the warhead within 3 miles of the target, you better have a BIG warhead if you want to be sure of taking out the target. With the advent of more accurate delivery systems, these gigantic weapons were no longer as necessary. If you can drop your weapon within a few feet of the target, you don't need as large of a weapon.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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I would point out using the Manhattan project as a basis for nuclear weapons leaves out a very important fact. They were in a race to get the bomb before Germany and Japan (both of which had their own nuclear weapons programs). The decision to use nukes was made in the context of a hot war and not a cold war. You also need to note that the Manhattan project, while over all nuclear, had 2 distinct avenues of research - Uranium and Plutonium. Fatman and little boy was one of each and the detonation of those 2 nukes were the 2nd and 3rd time a nuclear explosion occurred.

The allies took a risk using nuclear weapons after only 1 test detonation but compared to the alternative, a ground invasion of Japan, the risk was worth it compared to the number of potential casualties (on both sides).

Testing continued for decades until treaties were agreed to to end atmospheric testing. Atmospheric testing of nukes ended in 1992 for the US and at that time the US had detonated more than 1000 nukes for testing purposes. Testing is done for more than just setting a nuke off. They are tested for yield, triggers, charge shape, etc etc etc.

As for China they are not going to throw everything they have accomplished away to protect N. Korea. It is as simple as that. The Chinese economy needs the US market way more than the US needs the Chinese market. The US can easily go back to expanding production to make things we import from China. China on t6he other hand needs the market to sell their items and by extension create employment for its citizens.

The fact China publicly clarified their defense treaty with N. Korea was a very public signal to the N. Korean regime that China will not defend them should they instigate a resumption of a war.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 10:02 PM
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The point that I made, is that all of the tests after having a viable weapon was to increase and stream line the weapon. The gadget was way to large for a new strategy and they needed to stream line it, however if need be, the USA had the capacity to recreate the gadget, at any time.

The same can be said for the North Koreans, they created a viable weapon, so continued testing may not be necessary, unless they are wanting to create one that has a bigger yield, or more stream line.

China is not going to abandon North Korea. Nothing there has indicated such, they have not withdrawn any sort of diplomatic relations and from all accounts, they continue to support them. Even during the last round of sanctions, China put down conditions on those sanctions. If it was going to abandon North Korea, they would not have put such conditions on the sanctions. In stead they assisted both sides to ensure that they met the conditions.

Combined with the meeting between the leaders of both countries, pretty much show that they are still allied. While there is tensions, in all appearances those tensions are easing back to normal. While they may have disagreements, the one thing that both of them agree on is that neither trusts the USA, and view such with distrust.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 10:14 PM
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How am I wrong? Was there a detonation of another nuclear weapon that was not reported?

According to history, the first viable nuclear explosion, was Trinity, July 16, 1945. And less than a month later, a viable weapon was dropped on Japan.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: RAY1990


Critical thinking goes a long way, especially in a world where everyone expects someone else to think for them.



I call it "Elevator Thinking".

Each floor you're on - - you choose a different viewpoint - - then try to follow where that will lead under certain (or current) conditions.

Personal, emotional, viewpoints - - are usually the worst and easiest to influence (FOX news is a good example of that).


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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 03:44 AM
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Bolton has dealt with the NK's before and didn't have the necessary backing from the WH.

I'm sure he and Trump are on the same page, hence his appt. So that's good.

Gotta have that big stick and people to clearly explain what it means in no uncertain terms.

I think that NK will come in from the cold and give up the nukes.

Didn't the french nuke tests make Godzilla?

Stupid French.






posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 03:52 AM
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Why are people suddenly interested in calling out propaganda?
Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing - but only if ALL propaganda is called out as opposed to pretending everything you disagree with is really a bot.



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