Binary Red Dwarf Star System Crossed Into Our Solar System 70,000 years ago. Confirmed.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: moebius

Ah, so at no time did these objects actually pass through the Solar System proper. They never came close to, leave alone actually entered the Heliosphere.

Suggesting that a thing has passed through our Solar System, just because it mingled with the Oort cloud a bit, is like suggesting that someone who stumbled into your back yard while drunk, and never made it a foot past the fence before turning around and backing off, is a home invader.

Yeah. Technically it is part of the Solar System. It just stuff that gets dragged along, doesn't have the velocity to escape Suns gravity. So the objects out there are also extremely slow, moving with a few hundred meters per second relative to the sun, with orbital periods measured in ten thousands of years.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

I was pondering this last night in my half sleep state and a question was asked....

Why would this object push objects out of the oort cloud? Wouldn't their gravity pull the objects towards them or even capture them?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: moebius

Ah, so at no time did these objects actually pass through the Solar System proper. They never came close to, leave alone actually entered the Heliosphere.

Suggesting that a thing has passed through our Solar System, just because it mingled with the Oort cloud a bit, is like suggesting that someone who stumbled into your back yard while drunk, and never made it a foot past the fence before turning around and backing off, is a home invader.

Let's check:

#1 The Oort cloud formed from the same material as the rest of the Solar System.

#2 Bodies in the Oort cloud are gravitationally bound to the Sun (albeit weakly).

Ergo, the Oort cloud is part of the Solar System.

If the Heliosphere is taken as bounds of the Solar System, then Sedna (with its estimated aphelion of 937 AU) must be considered as leaving the Solar System and coming back to it as part of its orbit.

I had read that, 70,000 years ago there were. only approximately, 5,000 humans alive on the, "Earth".

If that's all there were, maybe no one even noticed, the occurrence.

a reply to: burgerbuddy


The by fire part will be when Jupiter rises to be the second sun...


Currently in progress; when it ignites? Who knows... it would be a good idea for observatories etc. to start looking for gas giants igniting to see what the local solar effects are.

Maybe it's just a slow inner chain reaction that slowly turns on brighter and brighter instead of something massive like when a star explodes; like when a star just winks out instead of pulsars just in reverse.



Stars do not just pass through the oort cloud the oort cloud is a giant ring of nebuluous gas they are also born out of. Perhaps that is the best place for them to look for gas giants hitting their flash point; however how long that takes I dunno; depends on the number and density of them counted... we are more likely looking around for earth like and possible collision points as a focus than suns birthing out of gas giants.

Coincidentally there is a story of when the historical Buddha was born in the heavens and took eight steps(planets?) there were two suns in the sky. Destined as a world conqueror/ruler or savior of them; seems as if the plan was to go against the agenda of what that family did alien to the system or not... it is said his father was never pleased with what he chose to do. Of course throwing down the crown or choices parents desire or want for their children to live through them as if that life was their own instead of the individuals is nothing new as far as freewill goes the choice is clear; that there is one. Funny that it is alled the middle way; and so many people go through something called a mid-life crisis having never really chosen to live the way they wanted too so the lie or facade falls.

Anyways, here's to sol 2.0

70,000 bce was when unusual geothermal activity nearly wiped out humanity...reducing us to estimated 4,000-5,000 mating pairs......a reply to: Fowlerstoad

ha ha ha your scientists, your media, your politicians lie about what is happening right now. and of course they will tell the truth that was 70,000 years ago. they swarm in the brain, although they have no idea how the brain works, they will tell you about the temperature inside the sun - they measured from the office, what the core of the earth consists of, although they do not know if it exists at all. but the fact that part of humanity is not from the ground, they know for sure and they are looking for their home planet, it is for this that huge money is thrown from the pocket of earthlings. not for the aborigines to master the cosmos

I was pondering this last night in my half sleep state and a question was asked....

Why would this object push objects out of the oort cloud? Wouldn't their gravity pull the objects towards them or even capture them?

It all depends on the angle and speed of approach of the passing star system. To use a more well known example, the Voyager spacecraft were launched on a trajectory that approached Jupiter slightly behind the planet. The net result was a gravitational acceleration of the two spacecraft towards their next target (Saturn). However, if they had passed in front of Jupiter, they would have slowed down, and started falling back towards the Sun (the situation is actually more complex than this, but it is good enough to provide a simple explanation). Think of the red dwarf star system as Jupiter, and the Oort Cloud objects as the Voyager spacecraft....and you have your answer.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Fowlerstoad


Hate to burst your bubble, but if the system did what the animation shows then no one would have seen the star system. Think about it, you can not see the Orrt cloud can you and the star system barely touched the Oort cloud

Well, I think only primitives could see it with the naked eye. We live in such a lighted world that even remote areas are affected to some degree by light pollution. It is hard to imagine the difference without a good experience.

I went to the Dakota's one summer and actually saw the Milky way in it all its glory but even there we had some light pollution too. It looked like a billion stars and not just a million.

I realized looking up at the beauty how it must have been back then. No TV to watch. So with all those stars and planets to view, that was the TV show at night.

a reply to: havanaja

Someone recommended this book earlier this week. Seems well reviewed.

en.m.wikipedia.org...:_A_Brief_History_of_Humankind

Long story short....70kya there was a cognitive revolution among humanity.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Out of the big primordial soup we recalled that a lot of danger came from rising waters and tumultuous times; so into the mountains we went some of them were volcanoes the land builders that used to be under ground smashing up as the plates settled moon struck before the dust settled into what we see as the moon.

It's likely we were a Neptune sort and when hit icy comets got set free and the land masses merged and a chunk settled up there and then gathered round and round in gravity like the dung beetle the moon still having ample water from the contact like a dusty surface from the dried layers and mud ball the deeper one gets.

Mountain ranges were places to hide out like a bunch of ants digging holes in the ground; many people and types were named based on the mountains they called home... as things froze over some descended as the waters receded. The Hans/Huns the Aryan/Aryans just mountain ranges from which some clung to and arose back out of after cataclysms... others did the same.

Some saw both shore and mountain as a threat to these as volcanoes not known to be also broke the earth apart and caused casualty of life and work; so seeing a nature a force it was thought of as a god anything larger than life itself that was insurmountable like the moon, the sun and other planets or points of light reflecting in still pools the same as above and so below... so it had to be thought of the same as out there in the vast reaches; across shores of earth and heavens the same no matter how close or far one went. The right then mattered a lot more than being able to sit around and pine yesterday; and plot tomorrow.

Prepared or not such things still occurred; and well with all our great "advancement" we now harness these energies and powers of creation to cause destruction on each other also as a force of nature... seems all we can grow in our ignorance is keep jumping out of one fire and into another.

We first clung together against nature; now nations try to cling together against our own nature and yet it being the same no matter where that is? To hearth and home... there's just a lot of sickness that needs cleaning up; so much poison from mouth to ear that grows rarely anything worth bearing.

It's also worth pointing out that the artwork that I have seen of a stone age man looking up at a bright red star in the sky has very little to do with the close passage of this star to the Solar System. Even at closest approach (roughly 0.8 light year) it would have only been tenth magnitude. Far too faint to be seen with the naked eye.

a reply to: Mogget


Another poster posited; that the star in question is/was Jupiter as it is seen as red in the distance with naked eye observations. Of course; the discrepancy most will call out against such it that thing called time when that and space are the same thing? How forward is one looking when skyward at night is simply past?

"Jupiter" is a brown dwarf

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Very interesting; thanks for posting.

If you're wondering like me, how they developed this theory, from the article, looks like via computer modeling of objects with hyperbolic trajectories in our solar system, they deduced that something encroached into our solar system to perturb/influence those objects' orbtis, and apparently this star's passing through our neighborhood is believed to be the culprit.

Now two astronomers from the Complutense University of Madrid, the brothers Carlos and Raul de la Fuente Marcos, together with the researcher Sverre J. Aarseth of the University of Cambridge (United Kingdom), have analyzed for the first time the nearly 340 objects of the solar system with hyperbolic orbits (very open V-shaped, not the typical elliptical), and in doing so they have detected that the trajectory of some of them is influenced by the passage of Scholz's star.

"Using numerical simulations we have calculated the radiants or positions in the sky from which all these hyperbolic objects seem to come," explains Carlos de la Fuente Marcos, who together with the other coauthors publishes the results in the MNRAS Letters journal.

"In principle," he adds, "one would expect those positions to be evenly distributed in the sky, particularly if these objects come from the Oort cloud; however, what we find is very different: a statistically significant accumulation of radiants. The pronounced over-density appears projected in the direction of the constellation of Gemini, which fits the close encounter with Scholz's star."

I wonder if the can corroborate the modeling of motions of celestial objects with anything in the geological record, but not sure something as small as a dwarf, way out in the outer reaches of star system, would leave any fingerprints e.g. rock sedimentation from different tidal levels or times of flooding, changes in solar activity,

ETA
Yeah on second thought, being just a brown dwarf, and being so far out from us, seems like any gravitational influence on our vicinity in space would be insignificant. But....what about the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune).

originally posted by: Blue Shift
People forgetting just how big space really is.
The ice core data suggests that it had little or no effect on Earth.

Eh, good point. So apparently only the maths of orbital trajectories can be used as supporting evidence.

a reply to: Crowfoot

I was watching the Skinny Bob video and came to the conclusion Bob was looking down at leaves on the ground.
But that came later, and staring in the mirror it is so easy to misread the pu-erh and go schiz.
Someone suggested the movie Repo man, its like the scene where Otto describes how alien fingers might type Veladrone instead of Velodrome and a door to a different dimension opens without the bud.

According to Wiki the large scale astronomical consensus evolved near Chichén Itzá in Mexico with a pyramid for Venus worship. See the byrd take....

End of times for the long calendar was *******ed much earlier, thousands of years BC.

a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

Due to this: A
Due That:? B
arising... that arising is of two types co-operating and co-dependent
B arises due to A and A arises due to B
Neither A nor B arises without attachment to A as cause expecting B as result
If A is Birth then B is death the sickness would be Allowing A to reach B without first abandoning the idea or concept of A altogether. (liberation)

Not being cause for A to arise B cannot be attached as effect
Intention for A or B to arise as cause then becomes cause for A and B neither A or B both A and B without "self" as dependent or Co-dependent or free from the cycle of A and B arising passing coming and going as cause. Path leading to liberation or entanglement of all past co-dependent arising and the skillful practice of preventing future ones or path is ended nothing left further for this world.

If A and B are skillful in removing past attachments to A and then they are co-operating causes with one effect that of removing dependent attachment as intention and not co-dependent arising as cause and effect; neither cause nor effect of due expectation. Both cause and effect that is; purposeful, not purposeful, neither of by or for either purposeful or not not a purposeful path leading to stress and suffering.

The long count is what I've gone by as the Tibetan one was inadequate in scope, width, and breadth as path.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Hollywood beat you to it .........

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Crowfoot

The long count is what I've gone by as the Tibetan one was inadequate in scope, width, and breadth as path.

The Tibetan Calendar appears to be based on a star observation only like most Zodiac based calendars.

Mayan long count calendar *probably* uses both Venus and the zodiac so you also get the ecliptic evolution into the paradigm.

Bells theorem confuses people that don't have spacial recognition, by design?

But since we live in a time after Newton invented calculus the mathematically inclined can work with it.

Someone was looking for David in 1943?