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UK Youtuber found guilty of hate crime for teaching dog nazi salute

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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Hazardous1408

I just find it interesting that "Nazi" is punishable purely on an ideological or even scatalogical level because "Good chap, many Brits fought and died to defeat the Nazis, I say!" yet here we sit watching most of the European countries that sat on the doorstep of the socialist hells that brought us the Nazi Party, the Holodomor, the Cold War, and even the arrainged ouster of the UK from Hong Kong become more and more like the political system they once despised, fought against, and died to defeat.


I am listening to people that have literally, and I do mean literally called for the death of people, get on their moral high horse and say someone deserves to be arrested for having their dog do a nazi salute.

It boggles the mind, but shows how frightening these people can be.

They are totally arbitrary in what they find offensive, and feel incredibly righteous as they call for violence or laws against the things they dislike.

Making jokes about nazis must lead to arrest, but acting like nazis and censoring speech you disagree with is to be celebrated.

The same with pushing for the policies of Stalin and Mao, that killed millions more than the nazis.

Its insane.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Perhaps they would change their tune when they witness a family getting dragged out of their homes by force to a prison truck and their children sent to a foster home never to see their parents again.

Thats their future.
edit on 20-3-2018 by WarPig1939 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

1) Hahaha, just can’t admit when you’re wrong can you...

www.google.co.uk... p

That is the flag ISIS uses, lets move along now because you were wrong the first 3 times you said it...
A 4th would just be sad to watch.


2) Brexit migration issues and voters being called racist = Telford grooming by non-EU migrants not being dealt with because Police “fear” the racist label?

How in the name of all we know and will do you conclude they could ever be the same thing?

Police are not voters...
Police do not get to sweep things under the rug because of hypothetical fears...

I’ll leave you to try and work out why they are not even remotely in the same region.



3) Yeah, I did, and I would again but those posts just get removed anyways so it’s futile...
My simplest rebuttal for you is that politicians are not a protected class in the U.K...
Which means that a) they wouldn’t be protected from Hate speech in the first place and b) I more relevantly I never once actually made death threats towards anybody, I simply expressed my (albeit potentially radical seeming) opinion that if politicians do get killed, I don’t give a flying monkeys about it.




It’s also a very selective argument you’re making there as well, because for years on this site I’ve seen many members saying people like Hillary and Obama should face the firing squad...
So I’m not exactly the sole example of ATS’s “death to politicians” side, am I?



What can I say, maybe I should end this post with “Gas the Jews” and get a good laugh out of it, because those words are so jokey and wholesome, amirite?




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Deluxe
a reply to: Grambler

LOL that poor dog.
If anything maybe an animal cruelty charge. Joking.


The dog can't move it's limb anyway else.

It's stupid.

They can be taught to goose step tho.

lol.

Welcome to the new world!

"wish my horse could do that"




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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Family guy cartoon show talks about killing jews sometimes or mentioning it on top of slavery, genocide, 9/11, re educating gays.

Sorry you have no sense of humor. At least in America we dont try to jail people making crude jokes that might offend someones weakmindedness.
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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

You listed about 4 completely different versions of Socialism all implemented and practiced in vastly different ways, the examples you have given are troublesome.

But unlike Nazism, Socialism comes in many forms, which is why I needed clarification to give a proper answer.

Fact is, you can’t repackage Nazism in the same way, so it’s pretty easy to blanket denounce it as an ideology.



This is as honest an answer I can give without getting into a drawn out dead horse beating of Communism=/=Socialism.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Hazardous1408

I just find it interesting that "Nazi" is punishable purely on an ideological or even scatalogical level because "Good chap, many Brits fought and died to defeat the Nazis, I say!" yet here we sit watching most of the European countries that sat on the doorstep of the socialist hells that brought us the Nazi Party, the Holodomor, the Cold War, and even the arrainged ouster of the UK from Hong Kong become more and more like the political system they once despised, fought against, and died to defeat.


I am listening to people that have literally, and I do mean literally called for the death of people, get on their moral high horse and say someone deserves to be arrested for having their dog do a nazi salute.

It boggles the mind, but shows how frightening these people can be.

They are totally arbitrary in what they find offensive, and feel incredibly righteous as they call for violence or laws against the things they dislike.

Making jokes about nazis must lead to arrest, but acting like nazis and censoring speech you disagree with is to be celebrated.

The same with pushing for the policies of Stalin and Mao, that killed millions more than the nazis.

Its insane.


Can't imagine what they'd do if a dog crapped on their lawn.

probably try to outlaw them.

That would be the last straw.

It will be war and not end well for them.

Need to get all So African on them.

Kill them and take their lawn.






posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Grambler

1) Hahaha, just can’t admit when you’re wrong can you...

www.google.co.uk... p

That is the flag ISIS uses, lets move along now because you were wrong the first 3 times you said it...
A 4th would just be sad to watch.


Did you go to the site I linked.

The naarrotior liteally says its the black flag of islam, that has been used by islamic armies for 1200 years, BUT HAS RECENTLY BEEN ADOPTED BY ISIS!!!

Ignore reality if you choose.


2)

Police are not voters...
Police do not get to sweep things under the rug because of hypothetical fears...

I’ll leave you to try and work out why they are not even remotely in the same region.


Did I say it was a good excuse? Nope, but I said that it is a legitmate fear for police to nbot act for fear of being called racist. It doesnt excuse their inaction.

But your claim that asians gets arrested prove that police wont be called racist is absurd.




3) Yeah, I did, and I would again but those posts just get removed anyways so it’s futile...


There we have it for anyone reading. You not only admit you call for murder of people you dont like, but would do it again.

Just so everyone knows, this is the same person saying how dangerous it is for a man to tell a nazi joke and he should be arrested.








What can I say, maybe I should end this post with “Gas the Jews” and get a good laugh out of it, because those words are so jokey and wholesome, amirite?



No as you suggest you should be arrested. You said it, you should be reported an arrested. I dont care if your intent wqs a joke, just like you didnt care about the man inb the video.

You have literally just committed the exact same crime you said this man should be arrested for.

Again proving you are a hyocrite.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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Did they convict the dog too?
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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: trollz
Did they arrest the dog too?


They ate it.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I can only roll my eyes here...


They are totally arbitrary in what they find offensive, and feel incredibly righteous as they call for violence or laws against the things they dislike.


Who isn’t?
Apart from people immune to being offended?
And who doesn’t?
Apart from absolute pacifists?

Nothing offends you? Literally nothing?
And if something, anything, does, is itn’t it just as arbitrary?

Do you not feel “righteous” for the support you have for “Laws against things you dislike”?


Yeah, high horse sounds about right to be honest.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

And just to be clear, you didnt just say you didnt care if politicians got shot.

You actually cheered the shooting of Steve Scalise, saying he deserved it for being pro life.

Here is the thread and the posts of yours that werent removed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A man shot, fighting for his life, and you arent even joking, you are celebrating that he was shot.

And you have the gall to want other people arrested for telling jokes?



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

I hear things that offend me all of the time. Like you cheering for steve scalise to have been shot.

yet I dont suggest arresting people who say things I find offensive. Not once. Ever.

There should be no laws, at all, to make speech illegal for offending people.

You feel you should have the right to cheer for a would be murderer shooting a politicians you dont like, and call for the deaths of all pro life politicians, while arbitraily saying people should be aarrested for telling jokes you find offensive.

That is what is disgusting and astounding.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: trollz

They might as well have charged the dog. That is how ridiculous things have become over there.
It's very scary to think it might happen here in the US, where I live, in the near future.

I still feel bad for that poor dog. The dog is the REAL victim in all of this. He probably thinks uwannagazthejuice means cheese or some other snack.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:14 PM
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You either die fighting the brown shirts, or legislate long enough to become the brown shirts.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Nazism never went away, unfortunately, it just kept its head down for a while.

Until such a time as the crazed ideology could become socially acceptable again, even palatable to some, hence the reason it's once again rearing it's ugly head.

That being said if you cannot have a laugh at the expense of a crazed ideology that only ignorant racists entertain seriously then the thought Police are most certainly amongst us.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Wow, you really did go for a 4th attempt.

Moving on...


legitmate fear


In what universe is it legitimate enough to sweep heinous crimes under the rug?
Asinine fear, yeah...
Paranoia fear, sure...
Selfish fear, certainly...

Legitimate? No, not even remotely.



Redacted


Yeah, I don’t like politicians...
And I’m not even a member who calls for political deaths the most consistently on ATS.

I did it in 1 thread, and confirmed your words in this one.



Type “AboveTopSecret Hillary Obama firing squad” into Google or Bing if that’s such a worthy cause for you to fight...
Personally I don’t think you care in the least about that sort of thing unless it can be used to bolster your argument like you are doing in this situation.

Do your thing, bro.




Again proving you are a hyocrite.


You made me sigh, again. What a roll you’re on!

No, no I didn’t. I asked a question, rhetorically, in a mocking sense... and used a question mark as evidence of that.
I did not “literally just commit the same crime” and I personally find your outrageous use of hyperbole to be laughable enough to bow out now.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Grambler



In what universe is it legitimate enough to sweep heinous crimes under the rug?
Asinine fear, yeah...
Paranoia fear, sure...
Selfish fear, certainly...

Legitimate? No, not even remotely.


Again I say the police were wrong, there is no excuse for allowing these rapes to occur. PERIOD!!!!!

But they are right that people would call them racist for investigating, as can be seen on ats all of the time and any MSM outlet.

Again, that doesnt mean they should be forgiven in the slightest for allowing these crimes to occur.



Yeah, I don’t like politicians...
And I’m not even a member who calls for political deaths the most consistently on ATS.

I did it in 1 thread, and confirmed your words in this one.



Type “AboveTopSecret Hillary Obama firing squad” into Google or Bing if that’s such a worthy cause for you to fight...
Personally I don’t think you care in the least about that sort of thing unless it can be used to bolster your argument like you are doing in this situation.

Do your thing, bro.




First you actually were glad that a gunmen shot scalise, thats a little differently from just hypotehtically wishing harm on someone.

Secondly, hoping someone is convicted of crimes and executed is far different than cheering for a gunemen to shoot them in cold blood. And its way different that cheering right after a person has been shot.

Again proving you are a hyocrite.

You made me sigh, again. What a roll you’re on!

No, no I didn’t. I asked a question, rhetorically, in a mocking sense... and used a question mark as evidence of that.
I did not “literally just commit the same crime” and I personally find your outrageous use of hyperbole to be laughable enough to bow out now.



Who is to say you were mocking?

The man from the OP says in the video he just wanted to make the dog be as uncute as possible. But you dont by that joke, and think he should be arrested.

Yet here you are, asking us to take into context that you, much like the guy in the OP, are not literally advocating to gas the jews, you are just using the phrase mockingly.

Funny how that works huh? You want us to give you the benefit oif the doubt for the exact phrase you want others arrested for.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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But man on man

Freudian slip?



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Grambler

Wow, you really did go for a 4th attempt.

Moving on...


legitmate fear


In what universe is it legitimate enough to sweep heinous crimes under the rug?
Asinine fear, yeah...
Paranoia fear, sure...
Selfish fear, certainly...

Legitimate? No, not even remotely.



Redacted


Yeah, I don’t like politicians...
And I’m not even a member who calls for political deaths the most consistently on ATS.

I did it in 1 thread, and confirmed your words in this one.



Type “AboveTopSecret Hillary Obama firing squad” into Google or Bing if that’s such a worthy cause for you to fight...
Personally I don’t think you care in the least about that sort of thing unless it can be used to bolster your argument like you are doing in this situation.

Do your thing, bro.




Again proving you are a hyocrite.


You made me sigh, again. What a roll you’re on!

No, no I didn’t. I asked a question, rhetorically, in a mocking sense... and used a question mark as evidence of that.
I did not “literally just commit the same crime” and I personally find your outrageous use of hyperbole to be laughable enough to bow out now.



Well if Obama and Clinton committed treason, then yeah firing squad.

A far cry from cheering someone getting shot because they are pro-life..




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