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Why Don't The Democrats Want Their Party Back?

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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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The Irony here is that economists, political scientists, and leftists have the opposite view. Since Bill Clinton the Democratic Party abandoned labor and went RIGHT on economics. Similarly, the Republicans are considered to be a full right party. At best, Dems are centrists. Both are parties of wall st.

Only really this "cultural Marxist," identity politics stuff can be considered left in any meaningful way.

As far as environmental issues, it's all down to evidence. Conservatives claim to be for personal, business, and governmental responsibility and balancing the budget. Literally all sustainability means in practice is making sure you account for the environmental impacts of your business or personal practices. It's called internalizing the externalities, which is a business misnomer.

Moreover, conservatives usually agree that your rights only extend as far as the limits of another's. When organizations or businesses pollute the ecological system, it harms the commons and thusly infringes on the rights of others.

So, ironically, sustainability is a conservative concept if you really think about it.

However, as far as the Democratic Party I'm a bit fed up with the corruption at the top and election antics. That's separate from policy.

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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

ITT: "Why Don't The Democrats Want Their Party Back?" *Answers provided by conservatives* Lol. Never change ATS.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Dfairlite

ITT: "Why Don't The Democrats Want Their Party Back?" *Answers provided by conservatives* Lol. Never change ATS.
lol. Actual Dems and liberals respond. (Crickets)



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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I really liked the democrats when they had a strong Blue dog contingent, but the ACA drove most of what's left of them out of office.

ETA: I think the Blue dogs were a better representation of America, the republican version has always seemed a little harder for me to spot and you have to do some more digging to find.
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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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I came for the title.

I stayed for the deflection.



10/10



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Even today, the party is moving closer to oblivion. Now screwing Black voters.
www.theroot.com...

Maybe they'll get enough support from illegals and drug kingpins to stay afloat.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: PistolPete


If the DNC did move to the left it wouldn't have supported a Neo-con (Hillary) for President.


Indeed. If anything, there was a decision made decades ago that any real attempt to move the D party to the left would totally alienate them from moderate voters. I think that this happened around the Carter time. I remember in 76 Jerry Brown made a half hearted shot at the presidency. Then again in 80,he ran against Carter and Kennedy however he was just to progressive and ''moonbeam'' for liberal democrats at the time and Carter won the nomination and lost in October.

In the face of three terms of Nixon and Ford sandwiching Carter into three terms of Reagan and Bush, I think told the Democrats that a progressive agenda would not work and that a more long term moderate candidate was necessary to sway moderates and that plus one saxophone improv on Carson gave them that ''face''.

Clinton and Clinton ,if not already, became right wing liberals turning into as you point out neo cons and the party has shifted in that direction ever sense.

But what gets me is that conservatives have not rested or accepted any moderate stances by Democrats. They have constantly moved more and more to the right, dragging that ''moderate'' stance sought by the Democrats move more and more to the right along with them.

The inability for liberals to counter the messages poured out of the mainstream media in the form of LImbaugh, Savage et all for decades has turned the notion of ''radical'' and ''change'' on it's ear. You know the rest,



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Karl Rove stated that the GOP needed to be "unabashedly Conservative" to win elections. He was right. The moment they stopped that, and put up RINO McCain, they lost the election.

Trump, while embracing some liberal ideas, campaigned as unabashedly conservative. That won the election for him (along with his weak competition).

That isn't the problem. The problem is that one cannot exist without the other to provide its context. Which is essentially what your post outlines.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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The Democratic Party decided to move to center from left under Bill Clinton. a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I think that Trump rallied the disenfranchised . By that I mean those who were concerned about their own futures in a world that is rapidly changing, changing regardless of American political biases. Trump made promises catering to one aspect of the disenfranchised, those who traditionally felt secure with previously established American Values. Clinton on the the other hand made promises to what might be considered ''emerging'' demographics, those who considered themselves excluded from that American Dream then shot herself in the head by turning on the more liberal of those people.

McCain was a disaster for the Republican Party, though I don't know as a more heavily conservative candidate would have been any better. My memory of the time was that even staunch conservatives were seeing the catastrophe of the Bush Cheney wars and wanted to try anything else other than that. But I do agree that McCain and Romney were attempts to offer a more moderate image to appeal to moderate Republicans and keep them from voting for a democrat. The war mongering of the neo-cons had alienated liberals and conservatives alike.

I see Trump as a populist. To me, his philosophy, as known by his ideas, is neither liberal or conservatively oriented, rather they are Trump oriented. The ideas he has seem whimsical depending upon who he has last listened to.
But yes, his campaigning was unabashedly conservative, again not because he is but because he found that base to support him. That worked primarily because of the electoral college which gives power to less populated states composed of citizens of traditional and religious values. That being the case, with all the scrutiny on him in the last year, and that to come, I don't know as that image will carry him along with those moderate people who chose him over Clinton.

We have to admit that the American voter are a fickle lot who are willing to accept a candidate for little more reason than in one case his father was, and in an other, her husband was Potus.



posted on Mar, 21 2018 @ 12:49 AM
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Maybe because of the amount of Dems that were corrupted against, seeing how it works last election in you don't support the main contender. Similar to what Ron Paul supporters seen during his run.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Why did the Libertarians move more far right? Compare the platform to what is accepted now on the right. It's not the same. Rhetorical question, I agree they imploded. Now it's just a fight who can be the most far of the two.



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posted on Mar, 21 2018 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Just like the new right supports congress in bed with Big Pharma.



posted on Mar, 21 2018 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Dems are not even liberal. Liberal by historical definition are centrists and they have always in the past been pro gun, individualist, and limited government. But this whole socialism nonsense adopted into the Democrat platform since the 1920s turned it into a entrench big government movement that attracted special interest.

Communism is when the government completely controls all business.
Fascism is when government mandates business to do their bidding.

This is the type of crap leftists support? You need to go back to the basics of free markets.
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