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DOJ-FBI are Not Releasing Clinton Criminal Investigation Documents to Congress.

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posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Still waiting..

Trump has owned ever branch of government for over a year..

At what point is it fair to say that you have been played???

The end of this administration??

Beginning of the next??


Just want to know so I can point and laugh???



Then if he does, no one can bitch at him for firing anyone, right?

He can have comey executed.

Hitlery poisoned like the russian spy she is?

Is there a rule of law or not or do u want to play by your rules?

Can't have it both ways.




edit on 3 20 2018 by burgerbuddy because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: carewemust
They need to just make up realistic, best guess stuff and accidentally leak it. Watch those who run for the border, those who lawyer up and wait for the real documents to mysteriously turn up to defend those charged. Good frame, bait and switch.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:20 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: CharlesT
Problem is, If Congress did receive the documents requested and found impropriety, they would have to send a referral to prosecute to the DOJ and the DOJ will tell Congress to hump a stump. They are not going to investigate and prosecute themselves.... Congress is a paper tiger and have no prosecutorial powers of their own.


Exactly right. That's why Congressmen keep saying that a Special Counsel is needed. In addition, many of the alleged law-breakers are now civilians. Only a Special Counsel or other outside Prosecutor can investigate them.




Oh yeah, they are bailing on your $$.

Retirement.

The escape route.

I say start shooting some of them and you won't shut the rest of them up.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: carewemust

It’s trumps doj and fbi lmao..

Institutional conspiracies don’t work when your guy runs EVERY branch of government and EVERY law enforcement and intelligence agency.





Stop.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 12:24 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JoshuaCox

IMO, "conspiracy" is being used too liberally these days...as is "constitutional crisis". Our Illinois Senator Dick Durbin says every chance he gets that "Trump is creating a constitutional crisis with his conspiracy theories!".





Durbin is as crooked as the day is long.

He's from IL and been eating GMO corn too long, made him stupid.

Yeah, I'm from Findlay and Collinsville.

I got out.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: Bramble Iceshimmer
a reply to: carewemust
They need to just make up realistic, best guess stuff and accidentally leak it. Watch those who run for the border, those who lawyer up and wait for the real documents to mysteriously turn up to defend those charged. Good frame, bait and switch.



Also, as indicated in Wikileak 2016 DNC/Podesta documents several MSM outlets were complicit in the cover-up to protect Hillary. CNN still is in full cover-up mode. Not a word on their Website about the impending Congressional subpoena of the FBI documents related to its Hillary investigation. CNN is one of the rats.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

The United States CONGRESS created the Department of Justice in 1870. Therefore, Congress is above the D.O.J.. When Congress asks for something from the Department of Justice, or one of its agencies, such as the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI), the FBI should NOT be able to tell Congress, "NO!".



As I understand government, the FBI and DOJ are part of the Executive Branch and as such answer to the President, not Congress.

That being said, Congress are the elected representatives of the people and I believe any organization that receives taxpayer funding is answerable to the people. Plus, Congress controls the purse strings. They can just as easily say, "Answer up, or you don't get a budget next time around." What Congress creates, they can destroy.

Additionally, if Congress can convince them, the Judicial branch can compel the FBI or DOJ to release information. Checks and balances.

The real question here is, are the three branches at odds? Remember when Obama promised to close Gitmo? Congress gave him a way to back out of that promise by saying they wouldn't supply the money. Of course, the Commander in Chief can shut down any military base, money or no. It was just theater. One side champions the wishes of the people, and that darned other side opposes it. Unfortunately, the side fighting for what the people want always seem to be in the minority at the time. When they are in the majority, the issue never seems to come up.

You can bet that if the FBI or the DOJ are giving Congress the finger, both parties are fine with it.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:35 AM
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originally posted by: Tempter
What would ATS think about a law which allows Capital Police recovery of any documents pertaining to Congressional inquiry of Federally-related departments?

I.e., why can't they go grab a gun and just walk in and take them?

Who oversees that department?



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Yes. Congress created the DOJ and also expanded its authority over time.

By 1870, after the end of the Civil War, the increase in the amount of litigation involving the United States had required the very expensive retention of a large number of private attorneys to handle the workload. A concerned Congress passed the Act to Establish the Department of Justice (ch. 150, 16 Stat. 162), creating "an executive department of the government of the United States" with the Attorney General as its head.
More at: www.justice.gov...

Is issuing a SUBPOENA to get the documents, the same thing as bringing in the Judiciary branch to force their release?

I bet if the Investigative Committee received all 1.2 million documents tomorrow, it would be many months before they are digested.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Remember when Obama promised to close Gitmo? Congress gave him a way to back out of that promise by saying they wouldn't supply the money.
Now wouldn't that be some kind of special, if Obama, Hitlary, Comy and the rest had a nice vacation in that resort??? lol



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

Is issuing a SUBPOENA to get the documents, the same thing as bringing in the Judiciary branch to force their release?



This is just armchair Perry Masoning on my part, but my guess is that refusing to comply would just be a stall tactic on the part of the FBI or DOJ. If Congress really wanted to press the issue, the Judiciary would eventually rule that the Executive branch must comply.

In the meantime, documents get lost or destroyed, people forget, a new crisis arises, nobody goes to jail, and it's business as usual.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 02:15 AM
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originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Remember when Obama promised to close Gitmo? Congress gave him a way to back out of that promise by saying they wouldn't supply the money.
Now wouldn't that be some kind of special, if Obama, Hitlary, Comy and the rest had a nice vacation in that resort??? lol


There are a few MSM personalities who deserve to be in GITMO with them. They can fight for exclusive interviews, lol.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 02:18 AM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom

The documents requested by the Congressional committee have been with the Office of Inspector General for quite a few months. The OIG has been investigating this entire scandal for 14 months.

Rather than 3 investigative bodies duplicating each other's work, a single Special Prosecutor with broad authority should be running the show.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 04:00 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust

Our government is a ####ing train wreck.

Openly corrupt.





It is corrupt at all levels, the states, the counties, the small towns, the cops .. Its unfixable and I think we might actually see martial law before I die..


The Japanese and the Russians were afraid to invade mainland America for fear of all the guns. Besides that, do you think large scale martial law will actually work when you're asking these people to put the boot to their neighbors neck?
edit on 20-3-2018 by Wardaddy454 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: carewemust

It’s trumps doj and fbi lmao..

Institutional conspiracies don’t work when your guy runs EVERY branch of government and EVERY law enforcement and intelligence agency.




Really? So tell us exactly what you think Trump should do? No answers? That guts your post.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 06:18 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: xuenchen

He owns ever branch including law enforcement..

The toddler logic runs deep.


🤔



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 06:26 AM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
Basically, stonewalling. What FurryTexan posted. After McCabe, who is next? Prolly Stroz an Lisa...




Are these guys still married to their spouses?

Ya think the paparazzi would be all over them?

Open affair in the FBI?!

Why not more coverage, gee, we know Jrs wife got a criminals lawyer for her supposed divorce.

Interesting.






posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: CharlesT
Problem is, If Congress did receive the documents requested and found impropriety, they would have to send a referral to prosecute to the DOJ and the DOJ will tell Congress to hump a stump. They are not going to investigate and prosecute themselves.... Congress is a paper tiger and have no prosecutorial powers of their own.


Exactly right. That's why Congressmen keep saying that a Special Counsel is needed. In addition, many of the alleged law-breakers are now civilians. Only a Special Counsel or other outside Prosecutor can investigate them.




Hey, like rats off a sinking ship?

They are all bailing and trying to get the pension before it all comes crashing down!

Like they say about Trumps WH.

Pretty funny.




posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: xuenchen

He owns ever branch including law enforcement..

The toddler logic runs deep.


Whats up with the insults? It seems you are not interested in a serious discussion.

Trump does not "own" any branch of government.

Did he own strzok, Page, MCCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, or the other litany of people within the intel community that have opposed him?

Many of us have been saying for years how corupt these establishment unelected leaders of the intel community are corrupt. Trump gets in despite those peoples best efforts, and they still remain, yet people like you claim Trump now owns them therefore they must be working for trump and everything they do is his fault.



posted on Mar, 20 2018 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: carewemust

It’s trumps doj and fbi lmao..

Institutional conspiracies don’t work when your guy runs EVERY branch of government and EVERY law enforcement and intelligence agency.




I agree he should use them anyway he wants.

Like obama did.




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