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Uber stops all self-driving car tests after fatal accident

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posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: Wide-Eyes


How do you punish a robot?


i dont know - but i suspect there are people working on it .

thi real question is - do you REALLY want to know ?




posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
How about if the data on the car indicates that the female walked out jay walked in front of the car and there was nothing mathematically that could have been done.


Thats a good point actually.

Theirs obviously (in theory) a lot of advantages to self driving cars... when you consider that computers don't get distracted, fatigued or drive well intoxicated... which are generally the main causes of fatal car accidents.

But at the same time, computers are still only capable of a mathematical evaluation on how to react in a given situation... They (probably) can't actually read body language and recognize that a pedestrian (for example) is totally obvious to you and may be about to cross the road.

I suppose its the one flaw in the self driving car revolution... How do you mathematically predict the general stupidity of human behaviour?



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

Well, many worried of something like this happening with self driving cars. Maybe this will be a blessing in disguise. This should at least slow the progress for self driving cars becoming a normal thing.


There was little point in worrying about it because it is obvious that there would be an event like this at some time.
The irony is that it is designed to take the human element out of it, as if computers and the software is infallible.

In this case it's even worse since the vehicle failed, and so did the human that was with it, and to add, the woman appears to have been walking on a crossing..at least that is what is says.

Anyway, here's some thoughts from one site on autonomous vehicles versus pedestrians, (some of the graphics seem to be down)

medium.com...
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posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
They (probably) can't actually read body language and recognize that a pedestrian (for example) is totally obvious to you and may be about to cross the road.

I suppose its the one flaw in the self driving car revolution... How do you mathematically predict the general stupidity of human behaviour?





posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 03:16 PM
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You know what make good self driving cars?

Trains

Keep that bs off the streets.

Too many variables to consider that computers can't compute.





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posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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The articel clearly states that she was outside a cross walk. It will e interesting to see how litigation goes. My guess is a huge payoff and a gag order so Uber can get back to the business of putting cabbies, truckers, and anyone lese who drives for a living...out of business.

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posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 04:42 PM
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I never understood this self driving car craze, from a legal standpoint. I'm no lawyer, but to me it looks like a liability nightmare from a mile away. I'm shocked that any law firm that works with these companies isn't/wasn't jumping up an down at the mere mention of these programs.

I hope they sue uber into bankruptcy. It's going to happen to one of these companies, maybe not now. This time it was a single pedestrian, what happens when it's a bus full of kids and dozens are killed.

This is corporate suicide.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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My sister in law works for Waymo and their self-driving car program and she says this tech is still scaring the drivers every day.

But the drivers are supposed to me paying attention at all times ready to step in if need be.

I know this is UBER we are dealing with and not Waymo but they had to of had the same rules in place. Was the human not watching the road?



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
And how many people die per day by car accidents?

Apparently around 3,300 a day. The goal of self-driving cars is actually to reduce this number by linking and controlling all cars. Of course, there will be failures along the way, but the alternative is to just keep chalking these daily deaths up to "acceptable losses," because damned if we don't love our cars.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 07:39 PM
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Just like people, A.I. isn't infallible. IMO they should and may rule, even though the woman was outside of the crosswalk, the range for breaks to come on should have to extend outside of the bounds of the crosswalk just in case. Otherwise there will be more causalities in this.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: RomeByFire
And how many people die per day by car accidents?

Apparently around 3,300 a day. The goal of self-driving cars is actually to reduce this number by linking and controlling all cars. Of course, there will be failures along the way, but the alternative is to just keep chalking these daily deaths up to "acceptable losses," because damned if we don't love our cars.


The worst accidents are caused by drunk drivers. There was the case of a mother who was changing the tyre on her car on a seldom used country road. She went to the back of her car to get the spare tyre out. Unfortunately at the same, time, Mr. One-for-the-Road was making his way home and drove straight into her. She's lost both her legs and is a wheelchair for the rest of her life. Mr One-for-the-Road didn't have insurance and fled the country.

Any technology could prevent this from happening. Basic obstacle detection and avoidance is now being fitted in cars.

www.audi-mediacenter.com...



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
How about if the data on the car indicates that the female walked out jay walked in front of the car and there was nothing mathematically that could have been done.

That's exactly what happened. The lady 'crossed the street outside a crosswalk' aka jaywalked.

Pedestrian deaths due to jaywalking is common, especially here in Las Vegas. Tempe, AZ is a much smaller but much more congested town. It's a college town, and the spot many people from ASU go on the weekends.

The OP's link is incorrect in stating the woman was in a crosswalk, Tempe police have confirmed she was outside of it.

I'll wait for more info, as it's pretty sparse as of now.

I would like to know the data from the vehicle (did it make any preventative measures, or even detect the person, etc...), the speed, the nearest intersection from the accident, the pedestrians state of intoxication.

I'm not to fond of them fancy self driving cars, but I'm also rational enough to wait for all the details before I condemn them for murder.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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Tragic event of the type that happens every day unfortunately.

A lot more info will be required to make any sort of judgement on this and surely the car was fitted with a camera so there'll be some conclusive evidence to work with. I'm picturing the situation where a pedestrian unexpectedly steps onto the carriageway in front of a moving vehicle leaving no time to stop regardless of whether the driver is human or AI and that sort of thing happens a lot independent of how skilled the driver might be. The only defence against it is reducing the maximum speed limit on roads with pedestrian access.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: RomeByFire
And how many people die per day by car accidents?

Apparently around 3,300 a day.


About 110 a day in the USA. Which is sad, but life is dangerous.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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I understand as the occupant you're liable to get bored, but to do this job you must realize that you're operating an unproven machine that has had accidents in the past and people's lives are in your hands. The occupant who let this happen should be charged.


originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Personally, I think self driving cars are an insult to human intelligence. I know there are a lot of idiots on the road but they are a minority and when they screw up, they get punished. I know the punishments are sometimes too light for the offence but that's a different discussion.

How do you punish a robot?


I think we insult our own intelligence enough with the tens of thousands of deaths we cause every year on "accident" (read: driving like an idiot). And sadly a lot of them aren't punished and nobody takes the problem very seriously. Bad drivers are certainly not a minority. I've driven all over the country. That's part of the problem is most people don't realize they're bad drivers or even recognize many of the others.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Maybe I'm wrong but deep down I just don’t believe self-driving cars will work too well.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Maybe I'm wrong but deep down I just don’t believe self-driving cars will work too well.

People said the same about auto-pilot for aircraft.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
1st to die from A.I.?


No, that happened to production line worker who got in the way of a robotic arm.



posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Wide-Eyes


How do you punish a robot?


i dont know - but i suspect there are people working on it .

thi real question is - do you REALLY want to know ?





Hope it wasn't Sarah Connor.

Oh no! Robot rights!

Some judge from hawaii will make you keep them "alive"

Turn them onto the streets of your town.






posted on Mar, 19 2018 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
You know what make good self driving cars?

Trains

Keep that bs off the streets.

Too many variables to consider that computers can't compute.


You know what a boring trip that would be for an self aware train. Going the same place, the same route, over and over. Self aware trains should free of old paradigm tracks.

Anyway, I read some where that charges might not be laid because the pedestrian jay walked.




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