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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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So, they found that a cancer drug might help to stop some of the negative effects of autism.

From the article: "In the autism model, HDAC2 is abnormally high, which makes the chromatin in the nucleus very tight, preventing genetic material from accessing the transcriptional machinery it needs to be expressed," said Yan. "Once HDAC2 is upregulated, it diminishes genes that should not be suppressed, and leads to behavioral changes, such as the autism-like social deficits." www.sciencedaily.com...

Ok, so if you block the HDAC2, it helps to control the social deficits. Hmmm. Lets see, there are some other things that work to block the HDACs.

Butyric acid or Butyrate help to block some of the HDAC's and slow aptopsis of cells in the gut by blocking some of these, counteracting the problems with gut inflammation. Now the best way to get your butyrate that I can see is in butter, it constitutes about three percent of it's fatty acid content. Look at the Pharmacology in this Wiki link. en.wikipedia.org...

You can get extra butyrate creation by using fiber too, if you have the right gut bacteria, the fiber feeds them in your colon. But absorption at the end of the colon is poor for this. so it seems better if you would just put a little real butter on your veggies, also on your potatoes. If you do have leftover potatoes, put them in the fridge, the cold makes the soluable starches into resistant starches, so make them into some potato salad and it will also boost the butyrate in your colon.

So, now, this chemistry is not found in olive oil or in vegetable oils. Lard does not contain butyrate either. Whole milk contains more than one percent. Are we making Autism genetics more of a problem by not letting the kids eat chocolate chip cookies made with real butter? Are we increasing the risk of behavioral problems in kids by not drizzling real butter on the popcorn? Or by feeling that the kids need to be skinny we do not put the butter on their green beans? Here is another article. en.wikipedia.org...

Now the weight gain part....www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... This is an article talking about the effects on energy and insulin resistance.. There are many more articles out there. Rats fed butyrate actually lost some weight over time, their hunger went down after about three weeks for some reason. I do not know if this article contains that information. Oh yeah, it is there too under results.

So, real butter actually has good effects on the body, so does whole milk which contains way more than skim. I do not know how our society got so out of whack, olive oil does not have these properties.

If you make your popcorn using refined cold pressed olive oil in the pot and then add real butter, it can help to make kids calm and combining the benefits of these two can help settle the kids. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to test this out. Also, to properly utilize fats, you need a little salt. Salt is not needed much in the carb cycle. Now a little vitamin c is also needed in the fat burning cycle, so you need to make sure you get a little of that during the day too.

I would rather feed the kids popcorn or eggs fried in real butter than put them on a cancer drug for their autism.

You guys can look for more info on this to add to this, I am not saying to force feed your kids butter, only that it can help them somewhat, and use real butter to make the cookies, it is lots better than shortening for taste. Watch not to use baking powders containing aluminum, that has some bad effects with some of the autoimmunity issues, they make aluminum free baking powder and it actually tastes better when you use that one. It is not too much more cost wise.




posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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Been using real butter here for a quite a while now. We also use whole milk.

The only thing I've ever found that actually tasted better with margarine was Rice a Roni.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:35 AM
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I like the taste of margarine, but it gives me the trots hours later



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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I'm a member of a small group who feel that those on the 'Autism Spectrum' are here to teach, that they are actually further evolved then those not on said spectrum. Now whether that person thrives or not is up to how that Self is treated, more so than that of a non birth.

One of the earliest Autism *'success story' is that of Temple Grandin. If You've never seen the movie about Ms. Grandin starring Hillary Swank, it is inspirational.

Did You know that the Silicon Valley shows an uptick in autism births?

www.mercurynews.com...

www.kennethrobersonphd.com...

geneticliteracyproject.org...

Personally, since I had an epiphany a few years ago, My health went from '2 steps this side of the kiln' to being in better shape than when I played Pro Baseball and even when I went through the police academy.

Coconut oil was a leader in that combat..

Stay Hydrated...



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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I wake up to a pair of 3 year old twins standing outside, bare-assed, drinking rainwater dripping off the roof. I think they may need to eat a whole stick of butter apiece.
Kids! They're not even mine, but I am forced into a situation of tending these little sh!t-weasels.
They ain't right in the head.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: stormcell
I like the taste of margarine, but it gives me the trots hours later


Some people cannot properly utilize vegetable oils in high amounts. I supposedly can metabolize them, so can one daughter. My other daughter and her kids and my wife should not eat too much. If you cannot metabolize them they can cause problems in your arteries and cause some problems with the runs in some of the people who eat them.

I am not sure how to use this information though, there are a lot of variables to consider. Also, I learned this from a genetic app, apparantly this is one of the things they have researched and it is supposed to apply to most people but how the body reacts is not included in the information, epigenetis causes a reduction in an enzyme creation that is needed to utilize vegetable fats correctly. I guess everyone can digest some, but some people make an enzyme that is way less efficient at doing it or it is less in quantity. So some people get the runs, others get fat on the artery walls. The problem is that age also reduces this enzyme and some foods block it's creation too. So it is best to moderate the consumption of plant based fats. This even goes for the oils they say are good for us. Moderation is always good with everything.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Heck yes, this is great news.

It was funny how they vilified wholesome fats for so long and now they are starting to rethink their upside down food pyramid. I love me some real fatty butter. Sometimes I go through a 1/4 lb stick a day.

As to good intestinal health, have you looked into any positive effects from kombucha? That is suppose to maintain a good gut flora.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:02 AM
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Coconut oil is good for most people, it actually contains chemistry that can increase telomere length and it is a good food for the gut. It has lauric acid in it which has some great properties, butter has a little too, but not nearly as much as coconut oil. I did not see any benefit to autism yet from coconut oil. Now this article is about the behavior problems in autism, that seems to be what most parents are having a problem with. If you can lessen that, the kids are in a better mood and easier to live with. I know lots of people with autistic traits, they are good people, they instinctively eat things that calm them. The problem I see happening is that some people steered parents from giving their kids food that they crave that can make them tolerate conditions like autism better, that kid would choose food chemistry that made them feel more normal if they had access to it. Cookies are high in sugar too, which seems as if it would make autism worse, but I used that as an example and maybe real butter will take away that bad effect by at least neutralizing it.

Here is an article I found talking about this issue in tumors. www.karger.com... So margarine is not a good thing unless some butyrate is given also.
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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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Rather than trying to explain the whole cluster thing and get the cows involved, why not just steam and serve on the half shell?



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: rickymouse

Heck yes, this is great news.

It was funny how they vilified wholesome fats for so long and now they are starting to rethink their upside down food pyramid. I love me some real fatty butter. Sometimes I go through a 1/4 lb stick a day.

As to good intestinal health, have you looked into any positive effects from kombucha? That is suppose to maintain a good gut flora.


I would think that Kombucha would have butyrate, but I suppose it depends on what microbes are used to make it. Here is another article on Butyrate. www.selfhacked.com... s-butyrate-producing-bacteria/#Where_Do_We_Get_Butyrate_From Butyrate is actually made by certain microbes, the cow just puts it in the milk.

Here is another article on cancer academic.oup.com...



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:21 AM
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Of course, you are not going to hear about what I am saying from a doctor who prescribes medicines and therapies for autism patients. That would make their job not as needed in mild cases.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

FYI, you can still reheat your potatoes after cooling them and they'll retain their ability to feed our good gut biota.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Popcorn made on the stove top with coconut oil and sprinkled with a little of this. Is really, really good!



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: rickymouse

FYI, you can still reheat your potatoes after cooling them and they'll retain their ability to feed our good gut biota.


I assumed that might be the case but was not totally sure about that so I didn't mention making American Fries. They also say that it is not good to keep your potatoes in the fridge because it causes them to change chemistry. I guess soaking them in water for a few hours if you refrigerate them does restore the chemistry to make them good for mashed potatoes again, but I have not actually tried that. I keep our potatoes down in the basement in a bin.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse

Popcorn made on the stove top with coconut oil and sprinkled with a little of this. Is really, really good!


I bet it is good.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: JimNasium

My son was diagnosed with spectrum. I didnt sign off on it. He has a speech "deficiency". Not autism. His % is so low it doesnt register, they just arbitrarily bumped him up in category.

I think I would have been labeled autistic as a child. I dont think its that clear of a field of study.

My daughter had the same issues as my son is having and we overcame it with speech therapy and some patient guidance.

Many in my family would have been labeled as autistic by todays specialists.

Short of a neurologist telling you, specialists look at behavioral traits not biological traits, so EVERYONE else is guessing when diagnosing.

Our brains are just different.

We use other forms of communication, so speech deficits coupled with missing social information from processing things differently, leads people to think that we are autistic. There are SIMILAR traits in people with autism and ourselves since our brains work similarly, we just arent autistic in the eyes of a neurologist imaging our brains.

Enhanced emotional intelligence can help us to understand a higher level of communication and analytic thought.

Feeling things in a "pure form" cuts out the middle man in brain circuitry and makes complex thought processes into instinct. Fast and precise.

We are judged as being inferior somehow. We are stigmatized by our differences. We arent identified by other areas we excel in.

It can be very destructive to us until adulthood or late adolescence when we can finally blend in with everyone else after filling in the gaps of missing information in our social understanding.

We need to be raised by others like ourselves.

Just my 2 cents.

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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: tadaman

I probably have high level autism. I think that most people with high intelligence have autism of some sorts. www.frontiersin.org...

I think that there are chemistries in food choices that can help with this. Butyrate is just one of them. Like you said, it is just that people are different, some fit better into this screwed up society than others. The big problem is that people of less intelligence are looking for visual clues that go with what a person says, but they don't properly listen to what the person is saying or ask questions to clarify it. It is easier to blame it on someone else instead of listening and asking questions I guess.

I read a lot of research, the research scientists are not good at writing things lots of times. They say stuff assuming they are talking to other specialists who have advanced knowledge, the thing is they need to explain things thoroughly to the article writer because things get screwed up in interpretation and conveyance of the message. They forget that most people do not know common practices and procedures they use in their research so do not mention it sometimes in the articles. I have curiosity so I look things up and now am aware that this is happening and distorting a real lot of things when interpretted by even specialists reading the articles. This problem is not that new, it seems like it got worse about twenty years or so ago though. Another thing, lots of research is funded or stimulated by corporations and medical entities that want to find patentable medicines to treat diseases. I have to hack the meds a lot to see what they do.

Most people would be bored with what I do now, I don't blame them, but someone has to do it. Otherwise everyone will be on meds in the years to come when we do not need to be. Way too much is being spent on healthcare and medicines, we need to stop that greedy practice and teach people the whole truth. The fad nutrition in this country is being formed from evidence that is being steered and purposely made deceptive by some people, then parrotted around as real. People profit by us being sick, look at who profits the most. Donate to your friend so that he can get treatment by a doctor? Wouldn't it be better to inform them with the truth about food chemistry instead? Donations wind up giving money to those who are well off already half the time.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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The first question to ask is whether or not they WANT to be "cured". I despise the idea of attempting to engineer minds even if they're deemed to be "not normal". I think when we head down that path things get pretty disturbing. Very few people stop to consider what the individuals in question want.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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This is very interesting to me. When my son was in the 4th and 5th grades, his teachers and counselors tried to tell me he was autistic. I didn't reject it out of hand because I knew my son wasn't "normal" in some ways and never really had been. But I also knew he was a really smart kid who was functioning just fine, and didn't see any need to "fix" what wasn't broken. So I didn't -- much to their chagrin!

We are also a butter family through and through. From buttered bread/toast to buttered veggies and noodles to baking/cooking with it. Always have been and always will be. I can't eat margarine. Even worse than the taste is the yukky film it leaves in my mouth for hours. And my kids say it does the same to them. So we would eat nothing rather than margarine. But for a while my son was using olive oil quite a bit, and he said that he'd find himself craving something cooked in butter or just toast and butter, so he's back to cooking with butter more often, and reserving olive oil for Italian/Mediterranean food.

So I wonder if this has something to do with this craving for butter he had. He says that now that he's using butter more, and switched back to whole milk from soy milk, that he's not had the cravings for butter again. And he's still not "typical" and never will be! But he's responsible and productive and successful and he's got my respect.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

When the wife and I cut out dairy, gluten, and sugar a few months back, I was sad to leave behind certain foods such as butter. Fortunately, I soon discovered clarified butter, or "ghee", which seems to have butyrate that survives the clarification process. Neat info s + f







 
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