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Nerve Agent May Not Have Been Manufactured In Russia.

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: MostlyReading

'Solid proof' isn't realistic at this time. Probabilities are all we have.




posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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Funny how some folks will demand proof anytime a counter idea is put forth but will provide 0 proof to support their side.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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I wonder...if it was an US made nerve gas....would PM May than accused Mr Trump??????

why are all the weird poisenings always in the UK. karma???
and keep in mind that the britisch war-gas investigation centre is an few miles from Salisbury away

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: alldaylong
Make of this what you will.




I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation


www.craigmurray.org.uk...

FCO is abbreviation for Foreign & Commonwealth Office for ATS non U.K. members.

Makes sense. The victim has been outed as an associate of Christopher Steele, and wax mixed up in his dossier fiasco. The most likely culprits are MI6, trying to tie up loose ends.


Nope.

Clintons...



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: alldaylong

The nerve agents are designed to be difficult to prove origin.


They are organophosphates. The same stuff that goes into bug spray, pesticides and is even found in snake venom neurotoxins. Those are designed to break down rapidly within minutes. This stuff just hangs around forever. Chemical formula and process for manufacturing Novichok variants isn't secret:
alchetron.com...

These chemicals are formed simply from carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and phosphorus. Regular elements found in nature. But whatever the formula, the outcome is the same. They inhibit the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, preventing the normal breakdown of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Then every muscle in the body contracts affecting heart, breathing, digestion, face, eyes, arms and legs.

We're actually using that stuff to help people with Alzheimers. Why mess around with banned cold war nerve agents, when you could go to an old peoples home and get the very same chemicals off the shelf?

en.wikipedia.org...
www.cpft.nhs.uk...

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:12 PM
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This is Craig Murray. He is so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole. He is just grandstanding for the sake of it.


Russia's ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, has suggested British authorities have identified the variant used in the Skripal attack as A-234. Speaking to Rossiya 24 TV, he said: "According to their specification, it's the poisonous substance A-234. That's the British classification." The BBC's security correspondent Gordon Corera says the implication of these comments is that Russia has been informed by the British of the specific agent used. But he adds: "So far, British officials have not confirmed that they have communicated this to Moscow, or that the A-234 was the exact agent deployed. "Based on public sources, A-234 is one of the Novichok family of agents... Little is known about it but the symptoms track closely with those eyewitnesses attributed to Sergei and Yulia Skripal - as do other similar nerve agents." ...... Novichoks were designed to be more toxic than other chemical weapons, so some versions would begin to take effect rapidly - in the order of 30 seconds to two minutes. The main route of exposure is likely to be through inhalation, though they could also be absorbed through the skin. However, in powder form an agent might take longer to cause a reaction.


News link



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: YouSir

Ummm...actually...that's not what was stated...

The following is...


I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation.





Meaning that Craig Murray hasn't really been in touch with a well placed FCO source. Can you not see that he is simply fabricating a story to promote his die-hard conspiracy theories? The question is why are you falling for his non-sense?



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:30 PM
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You heard this from me First. M-16 did it A double agent



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: MissionTruth
You heard this from me First. M-16 did it A double agent




No you are not the first and what proof do you have if SIS attempting to assassinate him



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 11:06 PM
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Never did belive it.
IF Russians had made it,
it would Have killed him....



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: buddha
Never did belive it.
IF Russians had made it,
it would Have killed him....


There is still time



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 11:34 PM
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Here's a good source for that;


Catch Carlos If You Can March 14, 2018 A mysterious Twitter persona launched one of the most enduring Moscow-friendly hoaxes of the MH17 airline tragedy. We found the ex-convict behind the lie.

Source



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: stormcell

Has anyone, anywhere tried to account for the nerve agent being an off-the-shelf mass-produced substance? Otherwise it's a very unlikely explanation for the incident.




Chemical formula and process for manufacturing Novichok variants isn't secret


Manufacturing petrol is also a well known process and surprisingly hard to do without a certain amount of investment and technology.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 01:29 AM
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How stupid do you think Russians are, like they are going to use a Russian nerve agent to kill one of their own. Please, don' be naive. Its a set up, to continue the anti-Russian dialog.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: rken2
How stupid do you think Russians are, like they are going to use a Russian nerve agent to kill one of their own. Please, don' be naive. Its a set up, to continue the anti-Russian dialog.


Not stupid at all. Maybe they judged the climate correctly and realised that social media would come out to defend them? As it stands, I'd say Russia is possibly the most defended nation on ATS. It's a bloody wonder they've achieved superpower status being so soft and fuzzy and all.

A Russian nerve agent gets used to kill a Russian traitor and everyone's scratching their heads and blaming the British or the Americans. How long until NK attains angel status? It's coming.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 02:22 AM
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Are you serious, Russia is the most picked on county by the mass media that exists today. Why would they give them more ammunition. To many maybes in your theory. lol



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: rken2
Are you serious, Russia is the most picked on county by the mass media that exists today. Why would they give them more ammunition. To many maybes in your theory. lol


Yeah, you're right. They've been accused of political assassinations for years. Journalists who criticise Putin keep turning up dead, but, it's probably the US and UK trying to make him look bad...for reasons.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:51 AM
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As a citizen of the west, i am pretty sure we have enough evidence now and know to 100% who did it.
The perpetrator lost his ID at the crime scene, as we are told by the UK officials.

The officials needed so much time to find that ID because it was hidden under foliage.

There you got it, you conspiracy theorists and russian trolls and bots which doubt that Putin/Russia did it, here is the irrefutable evidence we, the west needed for a WWIII...



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 03:59 AM
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There you got it, you conspiracy theorists and russian trolls and bots which doubt that Putin/Russia did it, here is the irrefutable evidence we, the west needed for a WWIII...


America has a genuine problem of citizens supporting Russia above their own government. It's kinda like the 50s panic about 'red under the beds,' but this time they're actually real and posting away on social media 24/7.

WW3 would be interesting with a % of Americans doing the propaganda work from right inside the States.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 04:28 AM
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Perfect, end of discussion. lol



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