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A Plea For Justice With Regards To Russia

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

But that is exactly the point, this might be the final drop. Prove this one above any doubt and it would have to end in more serious consequences than sanctions which aren't doing anything anyways as it seems.
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It's almost as if you're not grasping the magnitude of the accusations. Prove it's someone like Putins Chef behind it and it's a less further step to questioning the mafia like self-portrayal of a nation in the global stage.
Johnson said Russia uses chemical weapons from Syria to England.
That means a substance prohibited by international law. And in this case not in the silently agreed on proxy war playgrounds but on homegrounds for the closest ally of head, muscles and heart of "the west" the US.
I don't want to stir up anything but I would say that really crosses a line and is an act of war.
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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:01 AM
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One aspect that few people are talking about is the arrangement with spy swaps, where states exchanges agents that have been caught. Skripal was part of such a spy swap in 2010:

USA and Russia spy swap

If Russia really did poison Skripal, it would very seriously undermine this long standing arrangement between states. Why would anyone agree to do a spy swap with Russia and return agents to them if they were just gonna kill your guy anyway when he got home? It would be a stupid thing for Russia to do, and even more stupid to do it in a way that so clearly points back to themselves as the guilty part, with the choice of poison. Pretty sure they could have found lots of other ways to take out Skripal that would cause far less suspicion.

It just doesn't make sense to me. Whatever you think of Russia, I doubt they are morons. And why would Russia want to create even more Russia fear in such an obvious way? What is the motive? The political climate is already sort of a cold war, with Russia being blamed for stealing the election from granny Chardonney who is now busy stumbling around and injuring herself in India. (Come to think of it, maybe Russia have sent agents in invisibility suits to push her down stairs and out of bath tubs. Someone notify CNN.)
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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: MostlyReading


It just doesn't make sense to me. Whatever you think of Russia, I doubt they are morons. And why would Russia want to create even more Russia fear in such an obvious way? What is the motive?


After the Litvinenko assassination relations between Russia and UK have been strained at best. So this really doesn't do anything to change things there. It does however send out the message to Russian double agents that we can get you no matter where you are.

Another thing worth mentioning that I haven't seen brought up yet, Russia has their Presidential election this Sunday. Putin was always going to win. But he can now use this event to rile up anti-West sentiment in his people and win by an even larger margin. Effectively making any opposition look irrelevant giving him tighter control over the government.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Peeple

Russia had the motive, the opportunity, and the means. They have a long history of assassinating "enemies of the people," particularly traitors. There is no alternative explanation that makes any sense, and the Russian propaganda mill is already at it.
1. Novachuk does not exist.
2. Anyone can make Novachuk.
3. The SAS acquired Novachuk in Syria.
4. Novachuk stockpiles in former Socialist Republics were not destroyed so...
5. ...Ukrainian Nazis did it.
6. The British did it because, erm, they are entirely dedicated to destroying glorious Russia.
7. The Americans did it to drive a wedge between Russia and Britain because, erm, they are totally dedicated to destroying glorious Russia.
8. Nerve agent? What nerve agent? Russia has never had chemical weapons.

All of these contradictory "theories" are being dispersed through the usual disinformation channels. Remember: "We may never know the truth!"


These contradictory theories float about as much for the fact that the actual truth isn't known.
You trust the U.K. gov't? The U.S. gov't? The apparent world-wide media's finger pointing? So the U.S., the U.K., Israel, Iran, also doesn't have a history of similar acts??

Having said all that I am now leaning to believing it was Putin or someone beneath him.

It sure the heck isn't a slam dunk, though. I very much doubt we will ever get the truth.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: intrptr


No. Look at the Litvinenko case. There was a full and very public murder inquiry. not secret at all.

And for the umpteenth time the Police do not release all their evidence during an ongoing investiagation, and this is a very time consuming and complex process in a case like this.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: MostlyReading

Another thing worth mentioning that I haven't seen brought up yet, Russia has their Presidential election this Sunday. Putin was always going to win. But he can now use this event to rile up anti-West sentiment in his people and win by an even larger margin. Effectively making any opposition look irrelevant giving him tighter control over the government.


I very much doubt that the US, UK and the West in general is that important to the average Russian. Russian people are problably a lot more interested in voting for (or against) someone because of internal Russian affairs, not because they want to demonstrate "anti-West sentiment". Just like people in the US, UK or other nations vote to hopefully make their own daily lives better, not to say "SCREW YOU!!" to Russia...

(Remember how the establishment Democrats thought they could easily secure the presidency for granny Chardonney by telling people they had to vote for her to stop Trump. Granny had no real political platform unless you count constant flip flopping on the issues and having one private and one public opinion as a platform, and she was a talentless campaigner that couldn't even fill a high school gym. The Dems still relied on massive anti-Trump sentiment to win, and that sure didn't work out too well for them, did it.)



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: intrptr

In what criminal investigation do you give the prime suspect access to the evidence?



Ummm...in the chemical weapons convention signed and ratified by the relevant parties...of which both Russia and not so great Briton are signatories...in which it states that they must share intelligence and co-investigate any supposed violation...therefore providing samples to the accused party so that such co-investigation can proceed according to the dictates of the convention...


That would be the investigation in question...







YouSir



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:32 AM
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so much naivety and idealism in this thread it makes me wonder how easy some of you are to manipulate, really the perfect people to spread disinformation without even noticing, really russia has always been the best at spreading propaganda without doing anything themselves. the cold war was destined to restart eventually.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: YouSir


No, we are talking about a Police investigation into an attempted murder.

The Convention stuff is a separate matter.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: intrptr


The investigation is not yet complete.

If you did not have your head up your bottom you might see that.


If all you got is insult, I rest my case. We always can tell false agenda when we see it. In lieu of any real evidence they resort to hurling accusations, rumors and in-your-endo.

Got any real evidence to present?"

That was not an insult. More of an observation, really.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: MostlyReading

Putin has been using the West as a scapegoat for Russia's problems since the annexation of Crimea.

Economic sanctions leveled against Russia following that event did a real number on their economy. Instead of addressing the fact that this stemmed from Russia's failure to diversify their economy coupled with rampant corruption in the government Putin just placed all the blame on the West.

And it worked. And it's continued to work since. Even as conditions in Russia get worse Putin's numbers continue to rise.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: YouSir


No, we are talking about a Police investigation into an attempted murder.

The Convention stuff is a separate matter.



Ummm...no...your quite wrong about that...let me correct your incorrect thinking...

The expulsions and sanctions before the fact...before any facts relevant to an investigation under the chemical weapons treaty have been found or even intimated...facts...not oh it might be...or possibilities exist...

These are from not so great Britons...I think maybe that...Russia violated the chemical weapons convention treaty...however we're just not sure...but we'll expel and sanction them anywho...cause...shades of Margret Thatcher...doncha kno...


That would be the relevant investigation...the one where Ole saggy bottom May is refusing to provide a sample to the accused party...in violation of the afore mentioned treaty...

Thanks ever so much for the opportunity to call Theresa...Ole saggy bottom...really quite refreshing...

Cheerio...





YouSir



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: DJW001




Motive: Warn potential turncoats that they are safer in prison than walking free after betraying Russia.


One minute you’re talking about Occam’s Razor, the next minute you’re attributing motives you made up out of thin air.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Whereismypassword


Yes, everything is a false-flag and our Govts lie about everything. Sorry, I must have forgotten that.


Excuse me but after Iraq I feel uncomfortable without an independent investigation.


I think Boris Johnson declared yesterday that they would be sending samples to an independent organisation to verify the British results.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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The Police investigation is a criminal investigation into an attempted murder. A crime. That is what the Police in this country do. Expulsions of diplomats and sanctions are political matters for the Government.

I think you will find that it is your good self that is in need of some correction here.

Sadly, that is not all that you are quite mistaken about. A sample is indeed being provided to the relevant independent body, the OPCW.

Well done for referencing Thatcher. She has been out of power since 1990 and is dead but never mind.

And yes, you get to make some rather coarse, sexist and misogynistic comments about our female PM. How nice, very liberal minded of you, I'm sure.

I like your writing style - very "stream of consciousness". Are you typing with your elbows?
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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

You'll have to explain how they got the nerve gas from Russia then. Your theory means there are ungoverned folks out there who have somehow gotten hold of a weapon of mass destruction from under the Kremlin's nose.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

It was produced outside of Russia in the Soviet Union. Some of those countries are scared for their lifes with Putins empire ambitions.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

To send a message.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

That's history. Why are you defending russia?




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