It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

A Plea For Justice With Regards To Russia

page: 1
18
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 05:55 AM
link   
I am not the only one who seems to have trust issues with the official narrative coming from the UK and the US lately. There are various reasons why the Skripal story just doesn't really add up.
After all it looks like the entire family was targeted not just him and this was going on for years. Sure it is an act with a message, the way he and his daughter were found and especially the used novichock are obviously picked for a reason.
But just as we can't blame Italy for Mafia activities in Slovenja we can't say every murderer using Russian items is Putins dog.
There are even rumours Yulia herself brought the poison. They felt watched and after all the tragedies the family has gone through it wouldn't be super surprising if they even planted the poison themselves planning to die with a statement and as private person trying to finally stop his personal archenemy Putin utilising the UK as his reveneger.

Sure Putin has been involved in dubios manoeuvres but the UK and the US are after all not beacons of righteousness. And you can't deny there are pretty hysterical tendencies when it comes to Russia. The US supporting opposition is business as usual, but Russia supporting the opposition is an outrage.

There you have it, I don't necessarily believe the narrative put forward by the UK and the US because you have a history of misrepresanting evidence to fit your military interests.

edit on 16-3-2018 by Peeple because: Auto




posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:11 AM
link   
a reply to: Peeple

Russia had the motive, the opportunity, and the means. They have a long history of assassinating "enemies of the people," particularly traitors. There is no alternative explanation that makes any sense, and the Russian propaganda mill is already at it.
1. Novachuk does not exist.
2. Anyone can make Novachuk.
3. The SAS acquired Novachuk in Syria.
4. Novachuk stockpiles in former Socialist Republics were not destroyed so...
5. ...Ukrainian Nazis did it.
6. The British did it because, erm, they are entirely dedicated to destroying glorious Russia.
7. The Americans did it to drive a wedge between Russia and Britain because, erm, they are totally dedicated to destroying glorious Russia.
8. Nerve agent? What nerve agent? Russia has never had chemical weapons.

All of these contradictory "theories" are being dispersed through the usual disinformation channels. Remember: "We may never know the truth!"
edit on 16-3-2018 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-3-2018 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:12 AM
link   
Watching german news live right now, the ambassador of the UK in Germany is speaking, i have to laugh so hard.
He sayys there are only two possibilities if what happened. One is russia has lost control about some of it´s agents. Or the russian government was involved.

Sorry, but i have a lot of other possibilities in mind, a lot of other possible perpetrators.

Now i heard how the interviewer asked why it should not be possible that somebody did the attack, somebody who wants to damage russia.

Man, even the MSM here becomes more critical day by day, if it comes to this story.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:15 AM
link   
a reply to: Peeple

Of all the ways to kill someone and get away with it, why would the Russians use a chemical agent that can be traced back to them?



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:17 AM
link   
a reply to: DerBeobachter


Sorry, but i have a lot of other possibilities in mind, a lot of other possible perpetrators.


That is how Russian disinformation works. They confuse you with conflicting alternative explanations. Occam's Razor can be your friend. In the past two years there have been at least six very public assassinations of Russian diplomats and politicians. This fits the pattern perfectly. It conveys an obvious message: "You are safer in prison than cooperating with the enemy." There are quite a few officials that need to be so reminded.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:17 AM
link   
a reply to: DJW001


Russia had the motive, the opportunity, and the means. They have a long history of assassinating "enemies of the people," particularly traitors. There is no alternative explanation that makes any sense, and the Russian propaganda mill is already at it.

Thats the propaganda mill of the west.

To prove a crime, you surely need motive , opportunity, and means. None of which have actually been proven except in the high court of hear-say.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:18 AM
link   

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Peeple

Of all the ways to kill someone and get away with it, why would the Russians use a chemical agent that can be traced back to them?



So that the intended audience would know.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:19 AM
link   
a reply to: DJW001

What I heard coming from Russia was that they send four times a message to May with questions which weren't answered. The general reaction is vehement denial, but what reaction would you show if someone accused you of murder?

Besides it really isn't that easy just as the US has people like Manafort and others who are private people playing in high power games, so does Russia too.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:22 AM
link   
a reply to: intrptr


To prove a crime, you surely need motive , opportunity, and means. None of which have actually been proven except in the high court of hear-say.


Pay attention, please:

Motive: Warn potential turncoats that they are safer in prison than walking free after betraying Russia.
The opportunity: Why did Russia release him from prison in the first place? So they could assassinate him publicly later, conveying the above message. They actually created the opportunity that way.
The means: Russia has a wide variety of poisons. They usually use something exotic so that it is clear that it is the government that is acting. If the victim were hit on the head with a truncheon, people might think it was just a mugging.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:25 AM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Peeple

Of all the ways to kill someone and get away with it, why would the Russians use a chemical agent that can be traced back to them?



So that the intended audience would know.

LOL. the public at large.

WMD, chemical attacks, redlines, Saddam, Assad, Putin. Not trending at all.

Has the UN, EU, US (NATO) sanctioned the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia to Germany yet?



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:26 AM
link   
a reply to: Peeple


Besides it really isn't that easy just as the US has people like Manafort and others who are private people playing in high power games, so does Russia too.


Funny you should bring up Manafort... he is one of the main recipients of the message. He is better off spending the rest of his life in prison than cooperating with Mueller.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:27 AM
link   
a reply to: DJW001

Pay attention.

Evidence, suspect, witnesses = O



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:28 AM
link   
a reply to: DJW001

I don't want to discredit the victim, but he was seen acting weird for weeks before this happened.
The point is nothing is proven and as long as that's true, you have to keep in mind the possibility the suspect is innocent.
The man and his family could have had many serious enemies.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:28 AM
link   
a reply to: intrptr

LOL. the public at large.


You find public executions funny? How Elizabethan.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:29 AM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Peeple


Besides it really isn't that easy just as the US has people like Manafort and others who are private people playing in high power games, so does Russia too.


Funny you should bring up Manafort... he is one of the main recipients of the message. He is better off spending the rest of his life in prison than cooperating with Mueller.



I had to quote that. Touché.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:30 AM
link   
a reply to: intrptr


Evidence, suspect, witnesses = O


The British do not release evidence until the investigation is concluded. There will probably be a surveillance tape.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:34 AM
link   
There is an ongoing criminal investigation going on, CCTV footage will not be released for obvious reasons

As a Salisbury resident I’m frankly biting my tongue here with so many crazy Russian theories floating on this site orchestrated by the St Petersburg online propaganda army



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:37 AM
link   
a reply to: intrptr


Seeing as how the Police do not generally release evidence as an investigation progresses you have no way of knowing this.



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:39 AM
link   
a reply to: DJW001


The British do not release evidence until the investigation is concluded.

Release evidence in a false flag attack?

The reason they hide evidence, takes time to prepare a case of lies. It takes no time at all to tell the truth.

At least when Colin Powell spoke in the UN he had a little yellow vial to hold up so everyone could see it.

Lulz

WMD, chemical weapons, red lines, its a tried and true mind bender. Everyone is conditioned to it. Thats why the Russians would use a nerve agent thats traceable to them, right?



posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 06:40 AM
link   
a reply to: Peeple


But this is accusing someone of murder who has murdered before using the same modus operandi - Litvinenko, etc.



new topics

top topics



 
18
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join