BOMBSHELL: Obama's DOJ Forced Deletion Of 500,000 Fugitives From Gun Background Check System

a reply to: 3daysgone
If I was a Bernie fan would I say this. TAKE THE GUNS! I don’t know about you but I hate all my weapons.

originally posted by: underwerks
So you all are angry that under Obamas DOJ half a million Americans who couldn't legally own guns before were given the right to?

Kind of strange seeing conservatives support the population being less armed. But then again, Obama.

I think you are making a big mistake sticking up for Obama for party reasons.

He pulled the smith mundt act crap, now the country is turning nuckin futs.

We will have fake shooting after fake shooting, and probably a few copycat shootings and real dead kids, until the US is in a civil war.

The chaos this dbag has unleashed could lay nuclear waste to the entire world.

Sounds extreme, but we are the role models to a large part of the planet.

Time to demand and end to the intentional chaos going on right now.

I was joking when I said the democrats would sink the entire ship if they lost power, now it's not really funny anymore, it's a threat.

Read the news, they have gone full on psyops.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: 3daysgone
If I was a Bernie fan would I say this. TAKE THE GUNS! I don’t know about you but I hate all my weapons.

Right? I mean they just have a mind of their own.

a reply to: 3daysgone
They don’t??? Well shiz my bad then. Forget everything I said then.

a reply to: 3daysgone

Think you meant to say "mind of their phone?"

a reply to: 3daysgone

Why? Did you think there would be a list of names and crimes when it says that they were deleted?

Since you labeled them all "killers" in your post above, I figured there would be some evidence of it. I guess I was wrong.

Look, I get that Obama=instant bad to everyone here. I'm just against blanket gun control for any group of people, because a lot of times people are unfairly caught up in it and denied their rights. Especially given the farce that is the American justice system.

What was that old saying that went along the lines of "I'd rather 100 guilty men walk free than to punish one innocent man."?

Whoever said that back in the day had a pretty good head on their shoulders.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: underwerks
So you all are angry that under Obamas DOJ half a million Americans who couldn't legally own guns before were given the right to?

Kind of strange seeing conservatives support the population being less armed. But then again, Obama.

I think you are making a big mistake sticking up for Obama for party reasons.

He pulled the smith mundt act crap, now the country is turning nuckin futs.

We will have fake shooting after fake shooting, and probably a few copycat shootings and real dead kids, until the US is in a civil war.

The chaos this dbag has unleashed could lay nuclear waste to the entire world.

Sounds extreme, but we are the role models to a large part of the planet.

Time to demand and end to the intentional chaos going on right now.

I was joking when I said the democrats would sink the entire ship if they lost power, now it's not really funny anymore, it's a threat.

Read the news, they have gone full on psyops.

I'm not taking up for Obama. Under his administration whole families were droned just because they might have been near someone they were after. Which is something that's only gotten worse under the current administration. I could never support a president that supports that, party be damned.

I resent that my 2nd amendment right can be taken away because of what the "justice" system says I may or may not have done. And I use the term "justice" lightly when talking about the courts and judges who decide these things.

a reply to: underwerks

Since you labeled them all "killers" in your post above,

Ah, I see. You still do not understand what I meant by killers even though I explained it to you in a post.

Until you can understand what I was talking about, I can't have a serious discussion with you. I can only give you the information. I can't understand it for you also.

What was that old saying that went along the lines of "I'd rather 100 guilty men walk free than to punish one innocent man."?

I would rather the 100 guilty men serve their sentence and let the innocent go free. It would be safer that way.

a reply to: underwerks

I'm not taking up for Obama. Under his administration whole families were droned just because they might have been near someone they were after.

Your concern for the citizens of another nations being killed by weapons more than your concern for fugitives in my nation who can now legally own a gun is quiet alarming, and telling.

a reply to: 3daysgone

I would rather the 100 guilty men serve their sentence and let the innocent go free. It would be safer that way.

You have to decide which you would rather have, freedom or safety. I'd rather err on the side of freedom than some false sense of safety. I mean, criminals who want to are going to get guns regardless, right? So what's the point of gun control? For anyone?

Prohibition of anything people want has never worked, only made things more dangerous. You can apply that to anything. Guns, drugs, you name it.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: underwerks

I'm not taking up for Obama. Under his administration whole families were droned just because they might have been near someone they were after.

Your concern for the citizens of another nations being killed by weapons more than your concern for fugitives in my nation who can now legally own a gun is quiet alarming, and telling.

Do you believe gun laws stop criminals from owning guns?

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: underwerks

I'm not taking up for Obama. Under his administration whole families were droned just because they might have been near someone they were after.

Your concern for the citizens of another nations being killed by weapons more than your concern for fugitives in my nation who can now legally own a gun is quiet alarming, and telling.

Do you believe gun laws stop criminals from owning guns?

Don't have to make it easier tho.

Now we need to see the names of the excused, the states of concentration where the majority of them operated...

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: underwerks

I'm not taking up for Obama. Under his administration whole families were droned just because they might have been near someone they were after.

Your concern for the citizens of another nations being killed by weapons more than your concern for fugitives in my nation who can now legally own a gun is quiet alarming, and telling.

Do you believe gun laws stop criminals from owning guns?

Don't have to make it easier tho.

My view is that it isn't worth the collateral damage that inevitably happens when you deny a group of people their constitutionally protected rights. Any group. Especially one that is at the mercy of our "justice" system and the courts and judges that it's made of. I've been to court enough to know how arbitrary it all is.

You may feel different. As it seems a lot of people here do. Despite what everyone thinks I'm not trying to troll, just state my opinion. I have personal experience with how crooked the system is and I don't trust it to correctly decide whether or not I should be able to legally own a gun.

I'll exit though because it seems everyone was just looking for a reason to bash Obama. When I read the OP I see a group of Americans who regained their 2nd amendment rights. Everyone else seems to see something different though.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DBCowboy

Depends on what the warrants are for.

Do you support the innocent Americans who wrongly end up on these lists not being able to legally own firearms? Are you ok with a blanket ban on everyone with a felony, warrant or otherwise?

Because that's what you're arguing in support of.

Since when do politicians / Obama care about peoples rights?

That this contradicts his DNC etc stomp out guns stance is the big zinger here.

I mean look how far they pushed against gun shows on an entirely false (and federally supplied the military grade weapons behind the actual cover story were no less) premise:

Mainstream media and Beltway pundits and politicians in recent months have unleashed a wave of panic in the nation linking the escalading violence in Mexico, and its projected spread into the U.S., to illegal weapons smuggling.

The smokescreen being spread by these official mouthpieces of manufactured consensus is that a host of criminal operators are engaging in straw (or fraudulent) gun purchases, making clandestine purchases at U.S. gun shows or otherwise assembling small caches of weapons here in the states in order to smuggle them south of the border to the “drug cartels.”

The Obama administration is now sending hundreds of additional federal agents to the border in an effort to interdict this illegal arms smuggling to reassure an agitated middle-America that Uncle Sam will get these bad guys. The cascade of headlines from mainstream media outlets printing drug-war pornography assures us in paragraphs inserted between the titillation that the ATF’s Operation Gunrunner and other similar get-tough on gun-seller programs will save America from the banditos of Mexico.

To be sure, some criminal actors in the U.S. are smuggling small arms across the border. But the drug war in Mexico is not being fought with Saturday night specials, hobby rifles and hunting shotguns. The drug trafficking organizations are now in possession of high-powered munitions in vast quantities that can’t be explained by the gun-show loophole.
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“[Mexican] traffickers have escalated their arms race, acquiring military-grade weapons, including hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets with firepower far beyond the assault rifles and pistols that have dominated their arsenals,” states a recent story in the Los Angeles Times. “The proliferation of heavier armaments points to a menacing new stage in the Mexican government's 2-year-old war against drug organizations. …”
narcosphere.narconews.com...

The ordeal does smell of Fast & Furious, however.

“That was a decision that was made under the previous administration,” Bowdich replied. “It was the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel that reviewed the law and believed that it needed to be interpreted so that if someone was a fugitive in a state, there had to be indications that they had crossed state lines.”

Seems like something of this magnitude and the usage of the word 'interpreted' would indicate that a decision would need to be made that wasn't in the executive branch.


Clearly, these folks were/are fugitives of justice. Not arraigned, not tried nor convicted. This is the trouble with "lists" that folks can be put on without knowledge of nor recourse for removal from said lists.

a reply to: DBCowboy

That's it in a nutshell. Anyone who wants to purchase a handgun/rifle/shotgun should be, in their eyes, viewed as a criminal.

a reply to: 3daysgone

If they are out of jail having done their time, and are not currently on probation for whatever length of time was specified, he or she has answered their debt to society, haven't they? If not, why are they out of jail??

They've paid their debt, it's over. Right? Then their constitutional rights should be restored.

They're either free, or they aren't.

originally posted by: underwerks
Everyone else seems to see something different though.

I guess this is what old school ATS'ers mean when they say that every so often there is a "polar shift" on ATS.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: underwerks

So you all are angry that under Obamas DOJ half a million Americans who couldn't legally own guns before were given the right to?

You forgot to add fugitives from the law in that statement. Do you write speeches for Nancy Pelosi?

Nancy Pelosi talks, like Hillary Clinton walks... Staggeringly.