big crackdowns on opiates happening

a reply to: TinySickTears


I've been on the same dose of Norco™ and Fentanyl™ for 14 years now. I also exercise, meditate and do yoga. When I was retired from the police dept. I was on 7 Rx. poisons for everything from hypertension to PTSD. Then I started using Cannabis and got rid of all that crap and My pain meds. are at the same level as when I started. Any Medical Professional has My permission via My HIPPA rights to review My charts, just like the last 7 Specialists that has seen Me, the last being the Dr. who started TheSpineInstitue™. ALL suggest the surgery that could fix My constant pain also puts Me in line for living the rest of My days in a shopping cart.

Before I was retired, I spent 19 months 4x/week doing Physical Therapy so I've jumped through every hoop.

This is just another ploy to get the remainder of the opiate users $$$ either through re-hab and then another re-hab and then the Court costs. This happens when the long term user gets 'cut off' and then starts buying their junk on the street.

Look at Afghanistans opium production in 2001 and what it is now. What else has happened? opiates, then when those become harder to get, the user turns to heroin. This is when the aforementioned "court costs" come into play.. Don't forget the PRIVATE Jails/Prison angle either...


One could opine that if You think BigPHarma™ wants folks off of opiates and then on medical cannabis, they'd think You've been sniffing glue. The ONLY time BigPHarma™ will be happy w/grass is when Monsanto™ has removed ALL the natural benefits and replaced them with poisons. Then they'll be selling pills for all kind of ills....


What will BigPHarma™ do w/all the ''OIC" meds Opiate Induced Constipation If You can't crap You're taking too much.

Stay Hydrated...

I don't understand the huge push for marijuana. It works for some that's great but it does nothing for some of us. I can't have the stuff. Tried it and ended up in the ER with a heart rate of 200 bpm and my throat felt like it had a huge knot in it all the way down to my chest. Not an experience I want to go through again. They had the crash cart next to me ready to zap me. Luckily whatever they injected me with brought my heart rate back down. The ER doc thought maybe it was laced with something. Tests came back negative for anything else.

originally posted by: Thoren
I don't understand the huge push for marijuana. It works for some that's great but it does nothing for some of us. I can't have the stuff. Tried it and ended up in the ER with a heart rate of 200 bpm and my throat felt like it had a huge knot in it all the way down to my chest. Not an experience I want to go through again. They had the crash cart next to me ready to zap me. Luckily whatever they injected me with brought my heart rate back down. The ER doc thought maybe it was laced with something. Tests came back negative for anything else.

some people get that way with opiates too.
even before i was tolerant i could take a pretty high dose. others take 5 milligrams and theyre #ed.

i think for the most part though MJ is much safer if for no other reason there is the non addictive nature of it.
that cant really be argued.

however the reason you mentioned as well as a thousand others is why this is not the right way to go about doing this.
in the end i want the result but i dont want the push. at least not like this

there are too many variables and people can get messed up. the dt's are no joke man.

also pain can make you do crazy #. put a person in enough pain and he might be inclined to buy a substance off a person he might otherwise avoid. can turn into a problem fast

a reply to: TinySickTears

First off much respect in your dealing with living in constant pain. Really is one of things unless you have lived it you have no idea what it's going to do or how you will react to the constant barrage the constant battle.

Lived through with my Dad daily as he had pancreatic cancer and chemo treatments almost 3 years, he was a tough old school man. You get to a point where you are begging for answers from the doctors to curb their pain. Nothing really worked for him, and sometimes the drugs side effects were worse than the pain itself. He spent his last 4 years in pain and haggling with hospital and insurance policies etc.

Don't know what the answer is to the opioid epidemic, but taking away meds from legit long term patients is wrong on so many levels. Just as people who get real relief from MJ should have easier access.

a reply to: TinySickTears

This is actually a good thing.

But I know, at the same time that its the people whom take the meds responsibly and as intended that will suffer most from this.
Doctors created this epidemic.
I dont think theres one city in the first world that hasnt been effected by the opiate crisis.
My city, of 80,000. has 8 methadone clinics and it was just announced the other day 2 more are being built this spring.

Its insane how many people are addicted to opiates in my city.
And unfortunately i was not left unscathed.

Ive been on Suboxone for 5 years.
But thats 5 years of sobriety to me.

a reply to: Macenroe82

The end result will be good but people are going to suffer on the way. It's not right and there are other ways to get there

a reply to: TinySickTears

Oh I agree.
Punishing everyone isnt the right way to do this.
But that they are starting to take action is finally a step in the right direction.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like you should move to California or Colorado, Washington or Oregon?

originally posted by: TinySickTears
she said on the surface it is to fight this opiate crisis but her and some of her colleagues feel it is to push people towards the medical marijuana so the state can rake in the tax dollars.
i know most people on here think the opposite cause big pharm but she has been a doc a long time and apparently she is not the only one that thinks is cause the medical marijuana thing.

Sounds good to me. Medical pot is FAR better than opiates are.

Overall, I like the move from opioids to MMJ. For a large percentage of patients, it will provide a better quality of life on so many levels.

That isn't true for all patients though, no matter how much its claimed or how strongly its insinuated. Cannabis is a vastly under utilized tool in the medical toolbox, but its not the only one nor is it a panacea. Operating under a different assumption, out of ignorance, will lead some patients into an ever dwindling quality of life. Without going into too much detail (silly T&C's..), for "some" it isn't only ineffective, it makes some things substantially worse.

Its sad that an all-or-nothing approach coupled with profits that can't be denied will lead to legitimate patients suffering needlessly.

All that said, some of the measures taken in recent years do make sense, but many of them only make it more difficult for legitimate patients to receive proper pain management. And, like with so many things, those that use them illicitly aren't likely to be impacted much, if at all.

In some past threads, I've been pretty outspoken about what I feel would be some effective tactics (I think one discussion involved you too TST, though I could be mistaken).

I think the reality is that the public is demanding action, and its not particularly relevant to many whether or not it is effective or how it impacts patients who use these medicines to hold onto a modicum of normalcy. We all like to think we have all the answers and are more likely to force things to fit our beliefs than change our mind in accordance with reality. Us humans tend to be goofy like that..

Constant high levels of pain are literally incomprehensible to most of the population, which I think is one of the initial disconnects between folks.

Its a bit tragic, but I do expect this sort of thing to escalate. All the while the general public will continue to demand further action, catalysed by little to no reduction in illicit (ab)use and increasing conflation between patients and addicts.

Crappy situation, really.. I hope you are able to maintain some normalcy Tiny. Also, if you start to go down the MMJ route, try to take notes with as much data as possible. I'm personally convinced that for many patients, the "entourage effect" is the primary, critical factor in effective pain management even though the full data needed to pinpoint specific treatment is hard to come by.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Being the big pharm who own lot's of opiates would hardly push towards something they would have a hard time profiting on,easily grown,it has been known for hundreds of years for it's healing purposes,sounds like the reason why is a high usage of opiates in your state,one state in the US has enough for like 800,00 per person bad stuff,it does kill pain,plus several other organs,much like liquor

a reply to: SteamyJeans


No it isn't a great thing to switch to medical pot.

Last I checked, they're also taking firearms from people on any such treatment. Despite its effectiveness, this looks to me like another way for Uncle Sam or more specifically a State to infringe on the 2A.