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Just where have ""the Russians"" gone?

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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: loam

Purposely misrepresenting the situation to make it seem like the investigation isn't fair isn't going to magically make it go away.




posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: loam

We've heard this many times before, loam. Inconvenient arguments are called "strawmen" by those who lack the ability to actually refute the argument. At this point the best comeback, ceteris paribus, is "No U," I believe.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 01:59 PM
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Oops.

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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

YOU are conflating regular national intelligence activities with the Trump campaign or Presidency to de-legitimize him. YOU are falsely conflating narratives, not me.

Nobody is misrepresenting anything, other than you alarmist Anti-Trumpers who want to pretend nation-state intelligence provided propaganda just started last year. It's been going on for hundreds of years.

You took a standard event, laced it with innuendo and piles of Hillary/DNC funded bull # and used it to smear the Trump Presidency.
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My only point is this: where's the evidence?

We haven't seen one shred.

There has been plenty of evidence released. I can't say it is compelling enough to find criminal guilt yet, but saying there is none is a straight up lie.


I just want to see some kind of evidence.

Could have fooled me, because this thread makes it look like you just want to lie, throw out strawmans and argue with Liberals over said strawman.


YOU are conflating regular national intelligence activities with the Trump campaign or Presidency to de-legitimize him. YOU are falsely conflating narratives, not me.

O rly?
Post my exact words were I did this along with actual proof of how I'm wrong.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Yep the investigation into collusion was a farce from the start because collusion is not against the law.

Now with that said it can be seen that it was a wide net to see what they could come up with.

Let's just see if any skeletons come out of the closet.

That really depends on the actions going forth.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

...one giant strawman...


Right. Because rolling out the fact that Russians try to influence US public opinion (something they've done for nearly a century), without any demonstrable or meaningful impact, and then using that fact as an excuse to delegitimize a US Presidential election isn't the biggest CON job ever.





Woa boy look at this hot take right here. ...

Since you've stated above that Russian meddling has had no demonstrable or meaningful impact, I would imagine the implication is you must also know all of the non-evidence Mueller's probe has collected too right? I'd hope you wouldn't be saying such spurious accusations without having actually assessed all the evidence......

Secondly, how exactly has DT been deligitimized? Nearest I can tell he's passed legislation, and affected many aspects of US policy already (which would be a real neat trick from a deligitimated president).



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're making the affirmative claim that Trump somehow engaged in a conspiracy with the Russian government. YOU should demonstrate what evidence you use to affirm this statement, or simply admit you were pushing YOUR OPINION instead of fact.

Stop trying to peddle your opinion as fact.

There is no evidence. Period. If there is, why not shut me up? Prove me wrong. Where's the evidence of Trump "collusion" that the FBI and HPSCI missed? Where?



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t

YOU are conflating regular national intelligence activities with the Trump campaign or Presidency to de-legitimize him. YOU are falsely conflating narratives, not me.

Nobody is misrepresenting anything, other than you alarmist Anti-Trumpers who want to pretend nation-state intelligence provided propaganda just started last year. It's been going on for hundreds of years.

You took a standard event, laced it with innuendo and piles of Hillary/DNC funded bull # and used it to smear the Trump Presidency.

This is called projection. Oh it's also lying. I have done nothing of the sort in this thread or any other thread. I've said over and over again that I'm withholding judgment against Trump until the investigation finishes. Typical that you can't refute my argument in this thread so you just strawman me instead and attack that.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Thirty6BelowZero

You are absolutely right
But honestly, who cares if the Daniels story is true? It has nothing to do with being POTUS. I didn't vote for Trump because he was a saint, that is for sure.

Is betraying Melania a ## thing to do? Absolutely. But people make mistakes. Either way, my vote goes to DJT in 2020


Exactly. But that's just one more thing the libs think they'll be able to get him with. How mad would you be if you tried to pin something on the president, only to see it fail and flob back in your face every single time? I'd be pretty upset, lol. Sucks to be a lefty!



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're making the affirmative claim that Trump somehow engaged in a conspiracy with the Russian government. YOU should demonstrate what evidence you use to affirm this statement, or simply admit you were pushing YOUR OPINION instead of fact.

Where did I make that claim? Show my words where I called Trump guilty. Otherwise stop accusing me of # you can't back up.


Stop trying to peddle your opinion as fact.

OMG! The irony!



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: Thirty6BelowZero

Lots of people have 'pinned' her but it will not be the DNC...LOL



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: mysterioustranger

If the UK's actions are your basis for credibility...then I have to laugh loudly outloud.

Zero credibility, and a socialist authoritarian police state.


Speaking as a Brit - what the hell are you talking about?????



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
strawman


That's twice now...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The most overused word/concept in the toolbox.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: loam

We've heard this many times before, loam. Inconvenient arguments are called "strawmen" by those who lack the ability to actually refute the argument. At this point the best comeback, ceteris paribus, is "No U," I believe.


But in this case as he's used it, it is in fact a strawman argument. If you'd like I can explain the definition of strawman (though I doubt you need a reminder).

Russian meddling in the presidential election isn't analogous to EVERY election, hence using results from whichever elections you wish as a case/point for demonstrating Russian meddling not conforming to the current understanding is misrepresentative of the specificity of the 'Russian Meddling in the 2016 Presidential Election'.

Lastly, as I am to understand it, Russia has been meddling because the ultimate prerogative has been destabilizing the US. That would involve pushing agenda's only long enough to secure them politically before supplanting them from the other side - all with the intent of keeping the US busy fighting itself rather than dealing with the evil # Putin has been up to.
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
strawman


That's twice now...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The most overused word/concept in the toolbox.

It's funny how posters on ATS use it all the time to the point I have to keep calling them out for it, but don't think you will successfully shame me into feeling bad for calling out people spewing logical fallacies. I will call out logical fallacies whenever I see them because addressing the arguments within seriously is ALWAYS a waste of time.
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Krazy, I use "you" in the collective sense.

If YOU didn't specifically say that, then I stand corrected. But this IS the left's narrative, in general. A quick glance over at DU will demonstrate this, along with a handful of posters here on ATS.

Charges ranging from "Hacking" "Rigging" "Stole" "Treason" "Collusion" "Conspiracy" have all been levied against Trump directly, and there hasn't been a shred of evidence to back that narrative up. Mueller's indictments of the 13 Russians make clear Trump was NOT a co-conspirator. You CAN NOT possibly charge someone with conspiracy after you declared they were "unknowing" because knowledge is a core required element of the offense. There is no conspiracy without direct knowledge and some overt illegal action to advance the conspiracy



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Krazy, I use "you" in the collective sense.

If YOU didn't specifically say that, then I stand corrected. But this IS the left's narrative, in general. A quick glance over at DU will demonstrate this, along with a handful of posters here on ATS.

Well I only speak for myself as that is the only person I can do thinking for.


Charges ranging from "Hacking" "Rigging" "Stole" "Treason" "Collusion" "Conspiracy" have all been levied against Trump directly, and there hasn't been a shred of evidence to back that narrative up. Mueller's indictments of the 13 Russians make clear Trump was NOT a co-conspirator. You CAN NOT possibly charge someone with conspiracy after you declared they were "unknowing" because knowledge is a core required element of the offense. There is no conspiracy without direct knowledge and some overt illegal action to advance the conspiracy

I don't give a # if I never made the claims themselves. You know, people will be a lot more willing to converse with you if you didn't decide their positions and opinions for them based on stereotypes.
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:15 PM
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Good to know you are a Russian not. a reply to: JBurns



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: lordcomac
As I recall it, right up until the night of the election, Every day was doom porn ww3 with russia just around the corner type threads on here, top to bottom. If it wasn't about the election, it was about how we're about to be in a nuke fight with russia.

Then something unexpected happened- the deep state didn't get their 'winner' and all of a sudden there was a few months period where the threat of ww3 with russia was completely gone. Not a peep from the MSM.

Then 'they' started talking about all this collusion nonsense. Then they came in with the russian 'hackers' and the 'bots' etc. With that coming to a close and the truth finally coming out that it was fabricated, suddenly people who are 'enemies of russia' start dropping dead with obvious 'russian' poison.

Does anyone else see a pattern here?


Since y'all are just going to keep slinging mud in eachothers eyes, I'll reply to myself.

Isn't it pretty obvious that whoever was behind the WW3 drums up until the election were the same people behind the MSM pushing for a clinton potus? As soon as she lost, they all had bigger things to do than to keep up beating the war drums. They had to backpedal and make a plan- they had the FBI, NSA, CIA, and the at-the-time-POTUS on their side, working for them, perverting our government end to end to elect clinton. They never expected to lose, so when they did they had to refocus, and fast.
That's why the WW3 with russia drums stopped beating on election night.
They had to drop what they were doing and work together to make a new story- collusion! Bots! hacking! russia Russia RUSSIA!

And they're still at it. Now that their narrative is falling apart, suddenly people who are "known enemies" of the russia state start dropping dead with *known* russian poison?
As if.

The people who were behind the clinton election process are the same people behind the russian propaganda, and the same people behind the recent murders- and wouldn't you be surprised if it was your VERY OWN GOVERNMENT?

The deep state has an agenda, and they have a plan. We'd already be at war with Russia if clinton had won- but plan A didn't work out.




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