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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Expelling a few spies and not letting harry n wills go watch a few football games is hardly punishing the Russians.
I heard some talk that they were considering a full on cyber attack against the Russians, that would be more like it. Or start going after the money of Vlad and his pals.
This just seems week.
A Government minister said on Tuesday that Ms May would seek an "economic war" against Mr Putin, targetting assets and money in the UK.
The minister said: “What happens will be an economic war, these will be economic measures.
“Russia’s economy is only half that of the UK, a lot of it concentrated in a few people’s hands. Well, we’ll do our bit to make it smaller if they want to carry on like this.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker
i therefore lean to this being a false flag event, although not 100% certain of that.
With the way the state media of Russia is responding I really doubt that. Tie that in with Putins remarks in 2010 that traitors would kick the bucket and choke on their silver.... It seems a bit to convenient.
Not to mention there is a history of incidents like this.
Why would someone do a sloppy false flag that could deteriorate geopolitics just to spite Trump?
Edit: I don't buy into this Russia big bad wolf one every subject. I just look at each issue,this one looks like them. Though they do get blame for more than they should possibly.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: pavil
A professional hit doesn't leave such traces.
Unless its a false flag attack designed to build false pretexts against perceived enemies.
Then it needs to point straight back to the intended target.
It cannot be discounted knowing all the players potentially involved.
Expelling a few spies and not letting harry n wills go watch a few football games is hardly punishing the Russians.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: CJCrawley
Don't under-estimate this tiny island.
I understand what you are saying but in terms of force projection and technology he UK is still gives Russia a challenge.
Also if it was to go that far the UK would probably have good grounds to invoke article 5 of NATO. Bye bye Russia.
ummm...except everything you just stated...falls flat on it's face...
Good Lord, we are talking the killing of a spy and you want to start a war? It's not like he was some major figure, no offense to his family.
Russia did actually destroy its nerve agent capabilities according to the OPCW Yet a concerted effort is being made to turn facts on their head.
OPCW itself, which in September 2017 declared that the independent global agency had rigorously verified the completed destruction of Russia’s entire chemical weapons programme, including of course its nerve agent production capabilities. OPCW Director-General, Ahmet Üzümcü, congratulated Russia with the following announcement: “The completion of the verified destruction of Russia’s chemical weapons programme is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention. I congratulate Russia and I commend all of their experts who were involved for their professionalism and dedication. I also express my appreciation to the States Parties that assisted the Russian Federation with its destruction program and thank the OPCW staff who verified the destruction.”
The crux of it is this: At this point, neither the US nor Britain have offered any actual evidence as to why the OPCW’s verification process regarding Russia’s dismantlement of its chemical weapons capability should be disbelieved. They have provided no evidence that Russia retains any Novichok stockpiles. The OPCW is, of course, the same agency whose independent investigations the West is relying on to determine culpability in major chemical weapons attacks in Syria. Why, then, would the OPCW’s conclusions on Syria be considered gospel truth, while its conclusions on Russia be rejected?
originally posted by: halfoldman
Would be amusing if tit-for-tat diplomacy means no British journalist will be allowed inside Russia to cover one of the biggest sporting events on earth.