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Back in 2013 Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller were barred from entering the UK
[source: BBC Source: Spencer and Geller Banned from UK
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer co-founded anti-Muslim group Stop Islamization of America. They were due to speak at an English Defence
League march in Woolwich, where Drummer Lee Rigby was killed. A government spokesman said individuals whose presence "is not conducive to the public
good" could be excluded by the home secretary.
And most recently Martin Sellner, Brittany Pettibone and Lauren Southern have been barred entry into the United Kingdom.
[Source: Sellner and Pettibone barred
Now, I do not necessarily agree with their views, in my honest opinion "Generation Identity" is a sketchy group, I do not know much about them,
however I am aware of their militaristic style training camps, however, if we allow radical preachers to travel into Britain and give speeches in
schools and mosques and madras' and wherever else, then is it not hypocritical to ban Spencer, Geller, Pettibone, Sellner and Southern?
Most of these people are either Authors or Journalists, it seems as if people have been deemed incapable of making up their own minds about their
political views so therefore your government is preventing you from having to.
Lauren Southern was held under the Terrorism Act 2000 and then barred from the UK because her entry would not be "Conducive to the public good",
which is the exact quote used for Spencer, Geller, Pettibone and Sellner also.
en Southern Detained in Calais
According to Lauren she was banned because of Racism, she distributed fake "LGBTq for Islam" as a "social experiment" due to posters she saw
saying Jesus is Gay, is Trans, is LBGTq
The posters she distributed said "Allah is gay, Allah is Trans, Allah is all of us" and she was asked to remove them because of the backlash she
would receive due to that, she says she just wanted to point out the double standard.
The UK Authorities are accusing Southern of being a "Christian Extremist"
The timing of this seems suspicious because a few days ago British Newspapers reported on Britain's "Worst Ever" Child sex abuse scandal in Telford
where Mid Eastern immigrants groomed, raped and tortured almost 1000 children since the 1980's.
The Mirror’s 18-month investigation into the child sex slavery revealed “abuse on unprecedented levels,” as well as continuous attempts by
British authorities to hide abusers’ Middle Eastern background “for fear of ‘racism.’” One 13-year-old victim pulled out of the
investigation because she “didn’t feel she was being emotionally supported” by police. Families of victims were regularly tortured and killed,
as when abuser Azhar Ali Mehmood set fire to the Lowe family house in 2000. Fear of reprisal against families kept countless other victims silent and
The UK decided to ban them from entering due to the tension between communities and thought this would rub a certain percentage of the population the
wrong way if they were to speak at an event or interview someone who is anti-Islamist.
All forms of speech and expression are under siege by this current conservative government, Theresa May is piling pressure on social media companies
to censor "hate speech".
Martin Sellner was due to give a speech on freedom of speech in the speakers corner in London however he was banned from entering the UK.
Martin was served Home Office papers explaining Generation Identity “is viewed in the UK as a right wing organisation”, and alleging that
Sellner’s planned speech was “likely to insight (sic) tensions between local communities”.
Geert Wilders is also banned from entering the UK
All of these people are vocal critics of Islam I think, and it's seeming more and more likely that "blasphemy laws" are being actively considered
by the UK government.
With Right Wing being such a sweeping term, ordinary people are being tied in with neo nazi's, white supremacists, racists and bigots for opposing
certain theological and/or political viewpoints.
The discussion of these theological or political viewpoints are being prohibited and in western democracy where we value freedom of speech above all
else all of us are particularly quiet like we're desensitized to it.
Surely with "Political Correctness" being all the rage these days,
With labels being all the rage surely "Right Wing Extremism" shouldn't have such a broad brush.
Looking at the Southern Poverty Law Center website's "Hate Map"
They are only tracking "Right Wing" extremism, when surely left-wing extremism exists also.
With populist movements it seems identity politics followed behind it, and if you attack an idea people view it as an attack on everyone who has that
idea instead of discussion.
Threats of death or violence are never acceptable and should not be shared, however if you criticize any aspect of Islam whether your viewpoint is
backed by fact or fiction you will be viewed as a racist, a bigot or an extremist.
And you could be barred from entering another country due to expressing your beliefs or reciting someone elses beliefs about a religion.
Yet you are free to criticize Christianity, Judaism and many other religious doctrine, this is how it appears to me.
Cyber-bullying is a serious problem, people are being targeted and threatened by groups of trolls attracted to large social media following.
Using a platform to encourage others to belittle and threaten people is abhorrent, so I understand why some things can't slide as free speech.
However people seem to take criticism on their beliefs as a personal attack on themselves
Whatever happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
There is a lot of pressure on Social Media companies to curb the rise of right wing "hate speech" and "fake news", especially from the UK
Conservative Government and in France, Theresa May has said she wants to make internet companies legally liable for not removing "extremist content"
Youtube have announced they will flag "conspiracy theory" video's with additional information from Wikipedia in an effort to tackle disinformation
on it's platform.
The feature will "at first" focus on "well known" conspiracy theories that have significant debate on youtube for example video's suggesting
Nasa's moon landing is a hoax.
They plan to show excepts from Wikipedia in a window next to the video information showing information about the event.
What say you ATS?
Should people be barred entry for their political/ideological beliefs, should people be censored or prosecuted for having certain views,
What has caused this shift and why are we allowing this to happen?
What speech is hate speech?