originally posted by: spacemanjupiter
a reply to: schuyler
Heaven/hell is even more silly than IDH or ETH, a lot more silly.
They're not really comparable at all. Heaven and Hell are religious concepts, of course, and in Christianity are used as the carrot and stick to force
human behavior. I would think most people understand that well enough. ETH and IDH are theories which attempt to explain the presence of ET. That idea
is not particularly difficult either. But the idea that ET is here to feed on us is the silliest of all. “V” wasn’t even very good science
fiction. My contention is that the IDH/ETH is an insufficient reason for preventing Disclosure.
Indeed, the ETH is expected and has been for at least 70 years, nearly three generations. If ET has not been here, well, then, we’ve been out there
along with Captains Kirk and Janeway. The Vatican is on board, and I remember reading that a few Imams have no fundamental problem with the idea
either. I’ve enumerated several reasons why the government has the No-Disclosure stance and have read several more here. Grant Cameron, author of
“Managing Magic; the government’s UFO Disclosure Plan” lists 64 reasons why Disclosure hasn’t happened.
They’re all silly. So where’s the beef?
The answer is that Reality must be far different than we have imagined. ET knows this, and if we “Disclose” the presence of ET, part of the
explanation involves where they are from and what they are doing here. The answer to those questions is what the problem is. ET by himself is not. The
answer must be an existential threat. The answer must question the entire scientific paradigm AND the religious paradigm of the world’s biggest
religions. Both will have to take a hit. Now, what could that be?
Heaven and Hell, the Garden of Eden, even the tale of Noah are all metaphors. They tell stories to pre-literate people. They are simplistic. Taking
them literally is simplistic. Calling them silly is also simplistic. You need to get beyond the metaphor in an attempt to figure out what the issues
are. It’s one of those Plato’s Cave scenarios where you are trying to interpret two-dimensional shadows to understand what is outside the cave.
The basic idea that is so bothersome is this: We really do have what amounts to souls. When we die we leave our earthly bodies behind and our souls
are in the next realm. Religious people think this realm constitutes Heaven where they will go, condemning other people, but never themselves, to
Hell. Now remember that Heaven and Hell are silly and simplistic. The next “Realm,” if you will, is much more complex, and its Truths are much
more mind-blowing than a simplistic belief that, for example, “Jesus is Lord,” or “72 Virgins” is your reward.
The Scientific Establishment, of course, thinks all this is silly. To a materialist Science is God in that Science will eventually be able to explain
everything without reference to spirits and silly beliefs. Many of you are in this category. You scoff and cry BS pretty much a priori without
considering the issue at all deeply. The fact is that’s the reality of our culture. Those are the belief levels we espouse as a group, and most of
us are unwilling to consider that we might all of us be very very wrong about the fundamental structure of Reality.
Now along comes ET and says, “You guys are all wrong. You have souls. When you die you go to the next realm where you will learn the Truth of all
this, and most all of you will reincarnate and go through this stuff again and again, and by the way, we’re the managers of this little project and
are able to traverse these realms at will. And you don’t have a choice in the matter. In other words, welcome your new overlords."
I’m thinking that kind of revelation wouldn’t go over too well. The Scientific Establishment would be shaken to its very core. It turns out the
religions they all hate and despise were closer to the truth than they were. And the religions would have to put a new spin on things once they found
out their Heaven and Hell schtick was, well, silly. Plus we’ve got these ET guys who can perform what amounts to magic and are capable of kicking
our butts back to the stone age if they really wanted.
So, yeah. No wonder the government does not want to Disclose. In this context, it makes sense.
edit on 3/22/2018 by schuyler because: (no