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The Problem with Disclosure; why the government and insiders are afraid to tell us what is going on

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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:02 PM
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The Problem with Disclosure

Why the government and insiders are afraid to tell us what is really going on

Ver. 1.0

By: Michael Schuyler

I. Introduction

“Disclosure” is typically defined as the governments of the world telling the populace what they know about UFOs, particularly the government of the United States. The suspicion is that the government has retrieved data, including actual UFOs, attempted re-engineering UFOs themselves, derived technologies from this knowledge, and even signed treaties with aliens in a so-called “shadow government’ that operates in a maze of secrecy outside the oversight and authority of elected governments.

The idea is not new. Indeed, almost from the beginning of the UFO phenomenon groups formed with the avowed goal of penetrating the silence to expose the truth. NICAP, the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, started in 1956 and is actually still around today in a much altered form (www.nicap.org...). Successive organizations and people have rallied to the cry of “Disclosure!” in the sixty some odd years since. Literally thousands of books have been written on the subject. Conferences have been held, press meetings staged, cases discussed, hoaxes exposed, web sites come and gone, and tens of thousands of forum posts on this very subject.

And still: No Disclosure. Some governments and people have claimed Disclosure has already happened. Canada, Belgium, Brazil, and other countries have “opened their files” and allowed access. Even the Project Blue Book files from the United States Air Force are completely available to the public. There is no lack of data on “sightings,” as anyone who has pored through the Blue Book files can tell you. Thousands of people have seen “lights in the sky” which have been dutifully recorded by authorities and made available. And thousands of people have reported more substantive sightings, including radar corroboration, and even meeting aliens, conversing with them, being abducted by them, or being told vast secrets and conspiracies which they have related. Anecdotal accounts abound.

Still: No Disclosure. No “REAL” Disclosure, according to those who feel they know what Real Disclosure would be like. It’s possible that these people will never be satisfied no matter what a government spokesman says because they believe the government always lies no matter what. And it’s possible these people think they know what has happened and just want the government to confirm their beliefs. They think they know, and nothing other than a confirmation of this will satisfy them. And it’s possible they are absolutely correct. The government knows something it is not telling. They have not disclosed.

And yet we have countless witnesses who have come forward to tell their stories of everything from seeing lights in the sky to boarding flying saucers, some against their will. UFO “gurus” such as Steven Greer, Stephen Bassett, Bill Moore, and the latest, Tom DeLonge, have amassed such accounts and formed organizations dedicated to “Disclosure.” The theme here, which started with NICAP, is that certain elements within the ‘secret government’ really want to expose all this, but it’s difficult, and usually the time is not quite right to spill the beans so we’ll have to wait awhile longer, just like the Second Coming. Anyone who is even mildly aware of anthropological lore has to admit these groups sound very much like traditional Cargo Cults. If only the aliens would show themselves they would bring the means for abundance and free energy and many of the world’s problems would be solved. The story is the same as it was in New Guinea during World War Two. If only you would believe.

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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:02 PM
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The argument for Disclosure is fairly straightforward. At the outset there is our “right to know.” This is a claimed right, not a delineated right, but it is based on the idea of open government and the “freedom of information” to know what the government has done with our tax dollars. Though people may concede that military secrets are necessary even in an open society, the idea that the government can withhold information as vitally important to all of humanity as the presence of aliens is considered anathema to a free society. The government does NOT have the right to withhold this information, therefore they must disclose!

Besides, what is the big deal? We are (almost) a space faring culture. We’ve been thinking about this since the fifties. We’ve been to the Moon—fifty years ago. Our grandparents are the ones who went there. We’re about to go to Mars. We have a permanent presence on both with satellites circling them and robots on the ground. We’ve sent probes to every planet, many moons, comets, and asteroids, and even past the confines of our solar system. We’ve already detected thousands of planets around other stars, some of them in what we call habitable zones. We could live on some of them. In fact, that’s the point of looking for them. We’re not doing this just for fun. How are we going to get there? Well, we’ll figure that out later. But the idea that there is NOT life out there in the Universe is preposterous. Only a few nutcases believe otherwise. Of course there is, all the flat-earthers notwithstanding. Even the Vatican admits this, so the religions are on board with the idea. Surely every cultured, educated person knows this. Who cares what some backwoods tribe in the Amazon (or the hills of Kentucky) thinks about this? They don’t count. What’s the big deal?

We must admit that there is a counter argument, no matter how weak we may feel it is. The story goes like this: The government has discovered a great deal. They commissioned a study by the Rand Corporation, or several studies from several think tanks, and the conclusion was that Disclosure would result in mass panic, throw us into an economic depression, cause mass suicides, question the very foundation and authority of governments, undermine religion, expose all the lies, cause the seas to rise and kill everyone on board. Or something like that. In other words, it would be a negative outcome that would do no good for anyone and would be a very bad idea. After all, there are many examples of a technologically superior culture encountering a technologically inferior culture to the detriment of the latter, even to the point of extinction. We have solid proof of that. Therefore, no Disclosure. Pretty simple, really.

So, question assumptions. Who is wrong here? Do you seriously think that the PhDs in the think tanks are stupid? Do you think they would study this thing emotionally? Do you think they would look at the presence of aliens from space, who somehow managed to make it here from a Universe teeming with life, who have done nothing all that harmful to the Earth in at least half a century of their presence, would cause worldwide mass panic in a culture that has effectively lived with the idea through several generations? We grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars, ET and Close Encounters, and OK, a few weird ones like V and Independence Day, too. We KNOW about aliens from space. So once again, what’s the Big Deal?

Obvious Answer: It’s not aliens from space. The people in favor of Disclosure, naively demanding the government come clean, have been incredibly myopic and simplistic about this. The issue must be much more fundamentally earth-shattering than a few midgets from space. It must be something that would hit the psyche of humanity in such a devastating manner that the think tanks are afraid of it, the insiders who know are afraid of it, and that those who know are so frightened of this that they are unwilling to tell the rest of government what the issues are. This must be a whole lot bigger than aliens from space. They’ve put a lid on this for a reason, and they must think it is a good reason.


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Whatever this is must hit the culture equally hard along several avenues. It must hit the scientific community as hard as it does the religious community. We have die-hard adherents to both. Our secular society allows religion only reluctantly, but otherwise despises the very idea. The Scientific Method is the only Truth, and that yields a rationalist view of the Universe which precludes gods and demons, magic, and souls. To these people such ideas are beneath contempt—just silly, and their world view reflects that. Yet we have a very large religious contingent to our culture, several interacting ones, actually, where the view of reality is far different. They believe things such as the only way to Heaven is through a belief in Jesus Christ. These are not all stupid, emotionally-driven people. If you’ve ever bothered to talk to these people you will know their belief structure is very deep and fundamental. And they are not all literalist fundamentalists, either. They are quite willing to admit biblical fallacies and they know very well the reason they eat fish on Fridays is because someone had some left over fish to sell way back when. But they still believe Jesus died for their sins. It’s not that they are technically correct, it is that you cannot dismiss their beliefs by rolling your eyes. They count, too.

The presence of UFOs has engendered several ideas of how they came to be here. The two primary ones are the ETH, the Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis, and the IDH, or the Inter-Dimensional Hypothesis. The primary view taken by many advocates of Disclosure is the ETH: Aliens from space. The basic idea is that other cultures flourished on other planets and reached such an advanced stage of technology to allow them to get to Earth. How they managed to circumvent the limitation of the speed of light is not known, so adherents of this hypothesis do not attempt to answer it except in vague terms such as “worm holes” or “warp drive” or some other equally unproven method. In truth, they don’t really concern themselves with this issue all that much. That the aliens got here is proof they solved the issue. We’ll have to ask them, and if we succeed in forcing Disclosure, maybe we’ll find out.

The second hypothesis postulates some sort of inter-dimensional travel, the IDH. This neatly side-steps the “faster than light” issue, but really doesn’t explain it any better than the ETH people do. What dimensions, exactly? No one can really say. It’s just that the aliens enter “another dimension” where they are from and exit this other dimension on the Earth side. They are not claiming this is in any way magical or beyond science, just unknown. And just for the record, String Theory is not going to help you here. The “dimensions” postulated by String Theory are extremely tiny. You can’t fit into them nor use them to travel anywhere. Not to mention that String Theory is unproven and more philosophical than real at this point. Whether they utilize another dimension or are actually from another dimension is unclear. Of course, there are a few people who claim the aliens are actually native to Earth and from here, yet we have found no cities of note. Well, they are underground, or under water. Those are also hypotheses, but neither well articulated nor generally accepted as real possibilities. It’s more speculation by individuals attempting to explain the issue.

It is fair to say that the ETH, the Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis, would not surprise anyone, nor would it challenge anyone’s overall belief system. Religions are equipped to accept this possibility. It would give them some fodder for argument; Did Jesus visit aliens or do aliens have their own Jesus? Theological questions, surely, and left to the religions to wrangle with internally. Nobody else really cares. Science and the rationalists would also be quite content. Aliens from space would reinforce their own ideas about the nature of reality. They would be rather curious as to how the ETs got here, so they would have something to do. Having lived with the basic idea for the better part of a century, “disclosing” aliens from space is almost expected.

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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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The IDH is much more problematical. It is largely theoretical with no real basis in science at all. Dimensional constructs, where they are available are highly mathematical in nature and not grounded in any reality. The one inter dimensional idea with which we have some familiarity unfortunately has a high emotion content: It includes the concepts of Heaven, Hell, souls, and the idea of reincarnation. Heaven and Hell are, of course, very well known to religious traditions such as Christianity and Islam, where the idea of reincarnation is abhorrent, except for Jesus, who gets to come back only one time. But Eastern religious traditions are much more accepting of the idea. In Indian tradition it is even very well accepted. None of this is at all acceptable to scientific rationalists, who have based the entre history of science on rejecting it.

The basic idea is that ET is not from another planet, nor has ET found a back door inter-dimensional way to get here from another planet. Instead, ET is from here, from this planet, albeit another dimension we do not understand. Further, ET has been here for a long time, has a vested ownership interest in this planet that pre-dates our own, and is, in fact, in charge. So if ET comes from Heaven and/or Hell and tells us the idea is stupid, we’ve got a real problem on our hands. Science will freak out. They are loathe to admit that religion even had a hint that was correct about this. The idea that people have souls would be unacceptable to science. Religions will freak out. Their dogma would have to admit to other points of view and that they did not have an exclusive lock on the entire ‘heavenly realm.’ Remember that Rand Corporation study cited above? Well, that would probably fulfill their expectations. And when ET says, “Yeah, we have a soul and the body is just an interchangeable vessel you can step into or out of at any time. Reincarnation is a fact and you all do it. You just don’t remember it and that’s on purpose. And by the way, we’ve been running things in this realm for a good long while so you’re not in charge,” that would pretty well shatter our ideas about the Nature of Reality. IDH vs. ETH would pale in comparison, no longer really an issue at all. Basically our entire concept of reality would be overthrown. ALL of it.

And THAT is why Disclosure is a problem.


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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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Good points and interesting.

You've obviously put some thought into this.

Cheers,
BT



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:29 PM
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Then why aren't we shattered with your post?

If it's one specific religious view that gets proven or dis-proven, it would shatter us?

More like the only difference between the gov'ts that don't disclose and aliens is technological. Just as degraded, criminally oppressive as any human. Just as there's been no significant increase in human awareness in the last 2'500 years...except technological, why would ETs be any different?

Perhaps a deal between the gov't and ETs. Like providing illegal drugs or some such in exchange for dribs and drabs of technologies. Massive longevity technologies for the elite that couldn't be given to the masses.

Perhaps a workable healthcare system. ...



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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Well of course they wouldn't want to admit that the DOD deploys alien invader UFO hoax data's, and secret aircraft as if Alien spaceships, to stoke the public into fearing alien threats and therefore subconsciously supporting bloated military budgets (to build yet more "UFO's" no less).


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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 04:39 PM
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I prefer the ETH over the IDH because we can see where they might live , we share the same three dimensional realm so we know they can exist , the IDH has always seemed to me like an easy way to explain how they get here while ignoring the fact that different dimensions could be governed by different laws of physics making it impossible for something in one dimension to exist in another , it's kind of like calling it witchcraft when you don't understand something.

in our Universe the distances are vast between Star Systems but modern technology has shortened distances that were once vast on this planet so why couldn't it be the case that other civilisations in other not to distant Star Systems have shortened the distance between Star Systems , our understanding of physics is not complete so FTL travel may well be possible once you've learned the trick , perhaps we have yet to learn the trick.




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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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Because they're eating us dude
And there's nothing you can do about it. Probably wouldn't sit well with a few people. Sweet dreams everyone.



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
I prefer the ETH over the IDH because we can see where they might live , we share the same three dimensional realm so we know they can exist , the IDH has always seemed to me like an easy way to explain how they get here while ignoring the fact that different dimensions could be governed by different laws of physics making it impossible for something in one dimension to exist in another.

Yeah, the whole Interdimensional thing is a little lacking, since we do have people witness UFOs and take photos of them, so there must be come actual, real, physical component to them in some way. At least some of the time.

Still, I've been kicking around the notion that we're being contacted by something that is using ideas and information as that "other dimension" we're looking for. I don't know how they're doing it (much like I don't know where the flying saucers go after they make their appearances and fly off), but somehow they're able to get into the heads of witnesses, contactees or abductees and plant ideas into their heads that ultimately get incorporated into the common culture. It's why we think aliens are little skinny guys with big heads and dark eyes. Maybe not for "real," but in an infectious cultural meme type of way. And while they lack physical substance, the ideas we get infected with are as real as necessary to create large-scale social awareness, expectations and actions.

Maybe they do it with some version of "psychic" power, which is apparently massless, so they can pseudo-travel all through spacetime with a minimum amount of energy expended. Just tune in like an instantaneous universe-wide psychic radio. I don't know. But it's a pretty nifty way to invade our planet without ever having to set physical foot on it.

As for "disclosure," how would a government explain that? "We're being invaded, but not by ships and creatures, but rather with ideas and memes. That little alien figurine on your desk is all part of it. And if you think a lot more about it, that only makes it worse."



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:19 PM
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If you dig into abductions and the frightening hybrid agenda, you immediatly understand why disclosure will never happen.



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:26 PM
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I skimmed A LOT but I read a few sentences at the start of each paragraph.

I'd care about knowing more if I could. I just can't. To me, I'd be very excited to find out but with no inclination of this happening soon; it just doesn't seem probable to me. We got so much # going on that I can't look this far outside the box. I really want to. If a probability presented itself to me i'd reconsider. My limits are well before caring for the general world, let alone hypothesizing something on this stuff. I am super interested, just allocating time elsewhere.
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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

The IDH reminds me of HiddenHands famous thread Window of Opportunity. And perhaps the IDs aren't so bad...afterall we've certainly managed to be fruitful and multiply.



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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double post
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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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double post
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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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double post
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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: schuyler

Then why aren't we shattered with your post?

If it's one specific religious view that gets proven or dis-proven, it would shatter us?


Because (a) You don't believe it. It's just an idea. And (b) It's not just one specific religion that would be disproved. It would be ALL of them including the basic ideas science holds dear (the "religion" of science.) No more "aliens from space" at all. They are here, in force, and you can't do anything about it. Reality is NOWHERE NEAR what you thought it was. The entire idea of who you are and what your place in the Universe actually is would be turned upside down. Not only is the Universe far different than you imagined, YOU are far different than you imagined.

The basic idea here is that ETs from space is not a big deal. It's what we expect and what we are most familiar with. If a UFO landed on the White House lawn, we'd say, "It's about time" because that's what we expect. If the alien equivalent of the USS Enterprise were orbiting the Earth with the occupants debating the Prime Directive, we'd just change the channel.

So given that it is not a big deal, why, then, no disclosure? Logically speaking, it could be that there is nothing to disclose at all, but people here, especially, are not likely to believe that and, in any case, if that's true there's nothing more to discuss. The operative assumption here, obviously, is that there IS something to disclose. So why not just do it? ET from space is no big deal. Religions can deal with it, Science expects it, and we've all grown up with the idea. The reason has to be because "The Truth" must be devastating to our assumptions and cut to core of our existence, something that would be extremely contrary to our view of capital-R Reality and something we did not at all expect. What I have presented fits the facts as we know them. It gives a reason why Disclosure has not happened.



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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Maybe it's as simple as that collective consciousness shapes our physical reality, and that if people start to believe in Extraterrestrials or Extradimensionals they will, in fact, be real.

And if people see extraterrestrials they might assume they are evil and come to destroy us, and suddenly we have a doomsday scenario on our hands.

Whereas it the public only believes they are weather balloons they will remain weather balloons.

A kind of giant placebo effect :-)

Now, that would perhaps be a good reason...

BT

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posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:48 PM
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very interesting thread wich i agree 100%
once again jacques vallee and john keel got it right
the ufo phenomena doesnt only looks weird, it is weird



posted on Mar, 13 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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The governments have actually admitted or disclosed that UFOS are real, including the US government.


What “disclosure” has become is a euphemism for telling us secrets about aliens and UFOs that people think the governments, particularly the US government, are hiding.




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