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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



Because when the Pro2A folks mention that maybe we could do stuff like actually lock the school doors


They already do that. They've been doing that since I was in high school.



or take meaningful steps to address the bullying that drives the majority of these cases, it gets batted down and dismissed.


They've been doing that as well.


Please tell me you are joking. If the doors were locked and the building was secure, the shooter would be left standing outside with his weapon, a duffel bag and a piss poor attitude. and the students would still be alive today. You get no points for opposition like this.


Where there is a will, there is a way.

Your argument is very similar in principle to those that say we need to take guns away. If we take the guns, bad guys cannot shoot people and they will not die.

Sounds good, but not entirely correct. Take the guns, they will stab you, or use whatever means necessary if that is their will.

Lock the doors, they will still find a way to get to you by any means necessary, if that is their will.




posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



Because when the Pro2A folks mention that maybe we could do stuff like actually lock the school doors


They already do that. They've been doing that since I was in high school.



or take meaningful steps to address the bullying that drives the majority of these cases, it gets batted down and dismissed.


They've been doing that as well.


Please tell me you are joking. If the doors were locked and the building was secure, the shooter would be left standing outside with his weapon, a duffel bag and a piss poor attitude. and the students would still be alive today. You get no points for opposition like this.


Where there is a will, there is a way.

Your argument is very similar in principle to those that say we need to take guns away. If we take the guns, bad guys cannot shoot people and they will not die.

Sounds good, but not entirely correct. Take the guns, they will stab you, or use whatever means necessary if that is their will.

Lock the doors, they will still find a way to get to you by any means necessary, if that is their will.


Meanwhile a response can be made by LEO and school officials.

Not talking about a perfect scenario...just mentioning that a very simple piece of personal responsibility by whoever owns the keys to the exterior doors would go a LOOOOONG way towards not seizing any more of my rights.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Other than our massive amount of guns, which like I said is pretty much a non-factor, the only thing that really sets us apart from our fellow First World nations is our hyper-capitalist/individualist mentality that isn't tempered by anything else. From Day One we're pretty much instilling in our children that your needs trump everyone the needs of everyone else.

Is it really a surprise that some damaged minds may take that philosophy to the extreme?


Look at our department of education. I guarantee you that the way school is administered is greatly different.

And I'd suspect that after Europe imports their poorer southern neighbors, they will become a little more like the US anyway.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

26 students and 14 adults plus a sheriff at my kids school for an after school protest. This is a school of almost 500 kids.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: JAGStorm

26 students and 14 adults plus a sheriff at my kids school for an after school protest. This is a school of almost 500 kids.



After school protest is a great idea.

During school, at 10am (as planned by many) is a terrible idea.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



Not talking about a perfect scenario...just mentioning that a very simple piece of personal responsibility by whoever owns the keys to the exterior doors would go a LOOOOONG way towards not seizing any more of my rights.


I can agree.

My point is that we cannot expect to have reasonable discussion with those that find it most logical to do away with firearms when we use similar arguments or simply refuse to engage in it at all.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

At least the way it works here is all exterior doors are locked. Every staff member has a key. At the front door there is a buzzer so any visitors can let the front office know they are there. At which point someone comes to the door and escorts them to the office. There they sign in and I believe show their ID.

That seems like a pretty thorough procedure and yet in many ways it could easily be gotten around. Let's ignore the fact that in many of these cases the culprit is a current student at the school. In many other cases the culprit is a former student. All they would have to say is that they were visiting a favorite former teacher and unless the administration had reason to be suspicious they would be allowed to go about their business.

Furthermore, in many cases where the culprit isn't a current student the first shots are fired in the front office.

The simple fact is that you can't keep a school in lockdown at all times. Parents need to have relatively easy access to the school and their children. This means that regardless of how many safeguards you put in place it's going to be relatively easy for a gunman to get someone to open that front door. And that's going to be all it takes.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: AScrubWhoDied

Writing software? Really? You're confusing intelligence with critical thinking skills. You do know the difference right?

Yes these kids are being used and there is no group easier to manipulate than teens by using peer pressure.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Thats going to be all it takes to gain entry, yes.

There is no single pronged answer. I merely threw out a very obvious failure in the most recent incident.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



Because when the Pro2A folks mention that maybe we could do stuff like actually lock the school doors


They already do that. They've been doing that since I was in high school.



or take meaningful steps to address the bullying that drives the majority of these cases, it gets batted down and dismissed.


They've been doing that as well.


Please tell me you are joking. If the doors were locked and the building was secure, the shooter would be left standing outside with his weapon, a duffel bag and a piss poor attitude. and the students would still be alive today. You get no points for opposition like this.


Where there is a will, there is a way.

Your argument is very similar in principle to those that say we need to take guns away. If we take the guns, bad guys cannot shoot people and they will not die.

Sounds good, but not entirely correct. Take the guns, they will stab you, or use whatever means necessary if that is their will.

Lock the doors, they will still find a way to get to you by any means necessary, if that is their will.


I'd like to have someone study you and find out what makes you feel you MUST replay with an opposing point, even when you agree.

Locked doors. They aren't perfect, but the do slow folks down. You have guns, or at least one, from what you have said before. Is it laying on the floor, or is it locked up? if so, why?

School doors. If they were locked, when the shooter pulled on the door, it would not have opened. He would have to spend time trying to get inside. Based on the inaction of the cops involved, I don't know if that extra time would have helped in this situation, but in most, it likely would. If people are listened to and we get more resource officers, or armed protectors of some sort, then when this happens, the shooter will be confronted with somebody else with a weapon and at that point, he will have to decide if he truly is a bad ass and not just a kid who plays one on TV.

Now please, find something wrong with what I wrote.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: network dude




Locked doors. They aren't perfect, but the do slow folks down.


I have no idea what the answer is, or what would stop the school massacres... So I'm not arguing for or against guns here.

But, I am fairly certain that locked doors, armed guards and only one access door into the school isn't the answer... Kids should not be forced to attend a place everyday of their lives, which resembles a minimum security prison... Its unhealthy for their general psychological well being, if nothing else.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: network dude




Locked doors. They aren't perfect, but the do slow folks down.


I have no idea what the answer is, or what would stop the school massacres... So I'm not arguing for or against guns here.

But, I am fairly certain that locked doors, armed guards and only one access door into the school isn't the answer... Kids should not be forced to attend a place everyday of their lives, which resembles a minimum security prison... Its unhealthy for their general psychological well being, if nothing else.




These kids are protesting for more gun laws currently. Do you think that more gun laws will stop school shootings?
Do you think that having locked doors, (which has been stated is current policy) might slow down the shooter, or even stop him? And lastly, what is the goal here, to make kids feel cool, or to make kids stay alive?

I didn't shoot anyone, so I just don't feel like my rights need any adjustments. Silly me, I feel as if we should be addressing the issues that make a person willingly take the lives of his/her classmates. I do realize that's an unpopular stance at the moment.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: network dude




Locked doors. They aren't perfect, but the do slow folks down.


I have no idea what the answer is, or what would stop the school massacres... So I'm not arguing for or against guns here.

But, I am fairly certain that locked doors, armed guards and only one access door into the school isn't the answer... Kids should not be forced to attend a place everyday of their lives, which resembles a minimum security prison... Its unhealthy for their general psychological well being, if nothing else.




These kids are protesting for more gun laws currently. Do you think that more gun laws will stop school shootings?
Do you think that having locked doors, (which has been stated is current policy) might slow down the shooter, or even stop him? And lastly, what is the goal here, to make kids feel cool, or to make kids stay alive?


Honestly, I don't know if more gun laws would stop school shootings in US... But as to the goal, I think its for kids in the US to be able to safely attend school with the knowledge that an alien invasion would be more likely, than an active shooter situation.

Its a far out notion in the states... but just an everyday reality among most first world countries outside of the US.
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: network dude




Locked doors. They aren't perfect, but the do slow folks down.


I have no idea what the answer is, or what would stop the school massacres... So I'm not arguing for or against guns here.

But, I am fairly certain that locked doors, armed guards and only one access door into the school isn't the answer... Kids should not be forced to attend a place everyday of their lives, which resembles a minimum security prison... Its unhealthy for their general psychological well being, if nothing else.




Its not THE answer, its an answer. Or, more appropriately, a response.

The nation could get mired down for years in a gun debate that goes nowhere. That doesn't mean we ignore relevant and decisive action otherwise. Locking doors is just an example. Another would be door wedges for each classroom. For a few bucks you can make a door impenetrable to someone trying to beat the police clock.

Maybe including stuff like not soft peddling the law to get federal grants, allowing psycho's to fester unchecked.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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99% of the students are happy they got got to skip class......The students who did not walk out will feel peer pressure.
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.nbcnews.com...

I have very mixed feelings about all the student walkouts scheduled for tomorrow. I am for and understand civil disobedience and know for some things it does work. I'm not sure this is one of them. So the kids protest, I seriously doubt that will have a big impact on current gun owners.

In my opinion the best way for these kids to protest is to stay in school, get an education, vote, run for offices and make the change they want to see happen. I think it is also naive to think this is just a gun issue, there is so much more to what is happening. Bullying, mental illness, pharmaceuticals, drugs, school security, family dynamic, media sensationalism, etc etc.

I have a feeling as with most kids, their views on the world will drastically change within a decade.



Yep. When they become our age, they will live knowing what it's like to be robbed by the Government 365 days of the year. Then their kids will be disobedient sociopaths.....and society will become a more and more like a police state, controlled by our convenient technology.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 06:35 PM
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Doesn't sound like there were any attacks on the kids out in the open. I was afraid someone would try something with a gun or a car.

Good thing there were police officers with guns present to deter violence.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: DBCowboy

They are not protesting the second ammendment.
They just want to be safe. In school. In the movie theater. In the mall. At a concert. Standing on a street corner.


Bull pookey



Why are you a slave to an industry who just wants your money buying their products no matter how unnecessary the product is?


Like Obamacare?



Like a congressman said last month.
If you need 35 shots to take down a deer you really should find another hobby. Your hunting skills suck.
Semi automatic weapons have no place in society.



Don't tread on me.



posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: network dude




Locked doors. They aren't perfect, but the do slow folks down.


I have no idea what the answer is, or what would stop the school massacres... So I'm not arguing for or against guns here.

But, I am fairly certain that locked doors, armed guards and only one access door into the school isn't the answer... Kids should not be forced to attend a place everyday of their lives, which resembles a minimum security prison... Its unhealthy for their general psychological well being, if nothing else.


you just described the school my kids go to.
You cant get in without a pass, all doors are locked, teachers have a pass code.
On duty officer walks the hall,the kids feel safe and have one on one with the officer.
its just a regular public school.....it gives our students a chance to learn that cops are only human.
they even get to pet the drug dog after a locker raid...
If there is a fight in the hall the teachers deal with it like any other school.
If one of them get caught with drugs they go to juvenile like any other school.
Its been this way after 911
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posted on Mar, 14 2018 @ 08:01 PM
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Control your Kids not my Guns....




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