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originally posted by: amicktd
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Well there are a lot of people who have lost all credibility.
It's not Trump
It's not Republicans.
I'll give you a hint, it involves the letters DEM and CNN.
it's trump and the republicans, trump's entire family is in bed with foreigners who they owe money to....we, as this point don't need your hint...his financial ties to Russia and Putins blackmailing of our president are self-evident....they have trump by the balls, if he had any...maybe he can call up Hillary and ask to borrow her big ones
I love CNN, they report on trumps words and actions, and the right-wingers here can't handle that
That’s a blatant lie with no proof to back it up. Your no better than the propaganda you so vehemently rail against.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: amicktd
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Well there are a lot of people who have lost all credibility.
It's not Trump
It's not Republicans.
I'll give you a hint, it involves the letters DEM and CNN.
it's trump and the republicans, trump's entire family is in bed with foreigners who they owe money to....we, as this point don't need your hint...his financial ties to Russia and Putins blackmailing of our president are self-evident....they have trump by the balls, if he had any...maybe he can call up Hillary and ask to borrow her big ones
I love CNN, they report on trumps words and actions, and the right-wingers here can't handle that
That’s a blatant lie with no proof to back it up. Your no better than the propaganda you so vehemently rail against.
proof?.....how many intelligence agencies publically announcing Putin wanted trump over Hillary do you need?.....I'll take the word of dedicated, career Intel agents over any Bulls**t handed out by right-wingers.....you can't handle the truth, you take the word of conspiracy bloggers and right-wing nutjobs......
In an interview with me this morning, Rep. Adam B. Schiff — the ranking Democrat on the Intel Committee — confirmed that Democrats will issue a minority report that will seek to rebut the GOP conclusions.
But here’s the real point to understand about this minority report: It will detail all the investigative avenues that House Republicans declined to take — the interviews that they didn’t conduct, and the leads that they didn’t try to chase down and verify. And Schiff confirmed that the report will include new facts — ones that have not been made public yet — that Republicans didn’t permit to influence their conclusions.
“There’s no way for them to reach the conclusions that they want to start with unless they ignore or mischaracterize what we’ve been able to learn,” Schiff said, adding that the minority report would also “set out the investigative steps that were never taken to answer further questions about the Russians and the Trump campaign’s conduct.”
Schiff had previously said the committee has discovered “ample evidence” of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Led by Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), however, committee Republicans will soon issue a report they claim will show there was no collusion and that Russia didn’t interfere to help Trump — putting House Republicans at odds with U.S. intelligence services and possibly with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who recently indicted 13 Russian nationals for an alleged plot to swing the election to Trump.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kurthall
There will apparently be a minority report that will highlight all the places the Republican committee opted to not investigate for "reasons".
The Republican coverup for Trump just got much worse
In an interview with me this morning, Rep. Adam B. Schiff — the ranking Democrat on the Intel Committee — confirmed that Democrats will issue a minority report that will seek to rebut the GOP conclusions.
But here’s the real point to understand about this minority report: It will detail all the investigative avenues that House Republicans declined to take — the interviews that they didn’t conduct, and the leads that they didn’t try to chase down and verify. And Schiff confirmed that the report will include new facts — ones that have not been made public yet — that Republicans didn’t permit to influence their conclusions.
“There’s no way for them to reach the conclusions that they want to start with unless they ignore or mischaracterize what we’ve been able to learn,” Schiff said, adding that the minority report would also “set out the investigative steps that were never taken to answer further questions about the Russians and the Trump campaign’s conduct.”
Schiff had previously said the committee has discovered “ample evidence” of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Led by Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), however, committee Republicans will soon issue a report they claim will show there was no collusion and that Russia didn’t interfere to help Trump — putting House Republicans at odds with U.S. intelligence services and possibly with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who recently indicted 13 Russian nationals for an alleged plot to swing the election to Trump.
More proof that we won't be able to make any headway on this investigation until November. I eagerly await that report from Schiff though.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: amicktd
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Well there are a lot of people who have lost all credibility.
It's not Trump
It's not Republicans.
I'll give you a hint, it involves the letters DEM and CNN.
it's trump and the republicans, trump's entire family is in bed with foreigners who they owe money to....we, as this point don't need your hint...his financial ties to Russia and Putins blackmailing of our president are self-evident....they have trump by the balls, if he had any...maybe he can call up Hillary and ask to borrow her big ones
I love CNN, they report on trumps words and actions, and the right-wingers here can't handle that
That’s a blatant lie with no proof to back it up. Your no better than the propaganda you so vehemently rail against.
proof?.....how many intelligence agencies publically announcing Putin wanted trump over Hillary do you need?.....I'll take the word of dedicated, career Intel agents over any Bulls**t handed out by right-wingers.....you can't handle the truth, you take the word of conspiracy bloggers and right-wing nutjobs......
originally posted by: timequake
Does anyone find it odd--given the posts of several of our members here--that there are people who actually want it to be true that our President has somehow colluded with a foreign power to become elected?
I mean, there is no proof at all, but merely the claim that was thrown out there by the man's political rivals, possibly, with the sole intention of attempting to discredit the current President. There is actually more evidence that this same political party used the nation's intelligence apparatus--with members appointed by the same political party--to illegally dig up dirt to discredit a political rival.
Please, take off the blinders, and at least attempt to be impartial. Remember, there are no "good guys" went it comes to political parties. Best we can hope for is that a non-politician will break the mold. That is why so many people voted for Trump, and why the political establishment hates him so much.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: amicktd
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Well there are a lot of people who have lost all credibility.
It's not Trump
It's not Republicans.
I'll give you a hint, it involves the letters DEM and CNN.
it's trump and the republicans, trump's entire family is in bed with foreigners who they owe money to....we, as this point don't need your hint...his financial ties to Russia and Putins blackmailing of our president are self-evident....they have trump by the balls, if he had any...maybe he can call up Hillary and ask to borrow her big ones
I love CNN, they report on trumps words and actions, and the right-wingers here can't handle that
That’s a blatant lie with no proof to back it up. Your no better than the propaganda you so vehemently rail against.
proof?.....how many intelligence agencies publically announcing Putin wanted trump over Hillary do you need?.....I'll take the word of dedicated, career Intel agents over any Bulls**t handed out by right-wingers.....you can't handle the truth, you take the word of conspiracy bloggers and right-wing nutjobs......
You're conflating two issues. It's fairly well established Putin hated Clinton. Of course he'd rather Trump over her, just like he tried to help Sanders in the Dem primary.
The issue of whether Trump actively colluded with the Russians is separate. There's no proof of that at this point.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: face23785
No. I'm going to wait until he releases that minority report and read it. According to the article I posted, it should more align with how the Senate Intelligence investigation is going. As stands though, Schiff has proven to be more trustworthy in regards to this investigation than House Republicans have shown themselves to be. Devin Nunes, for instance, is an embarrassment to our government with how blatantly he lies to cover for the administration.
Do you take these House Republicans at face value considering their conclusion differs not only from what Mueller is determining but also what the very people in their party but in the Senate are finding?
originally posted by: face23785
The issue of whether Trump actively colluded with the Russians is separate. There's no proof of that at this point.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: face23785
No. I'm going to wait until he releases that minority report and read it. According to the article I posted, it should more align with how the Senate Intelligence investigation is going. As stands though, Schiff has proven to be more trustworthy in regards to this investigation than House Republicans have shown themselves to be. Devin Nunes, for instance, is an embarrassment to our government with how blatantly he lies to cover for the administration.
Do you take these House Republicans at face value considering their conclusion differs not only from what Mueller is determining but also what the very people in their party but in the Senate are finding?
How has Schiff proven more trustworthy? He just keeps saying "We have evidence. Trust us." and nothing has come out yet. I don't take any of them at face value. That's why I said the committee investigations were a waste of time and money, you can't trust any of them to be objective.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: face23785
The issue of whether Trump actively colluded with the Russians is separate. There's no proof of that at this point.
Correction: Collusion has already been proven. That was proven with that meeting in Trump tower. HOWEVER, collusion isn't illegal. Conspiracy is illegal. Conspiracy hasn't been proven. Yet.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: face23785
The issue of whether Trump actively colluded with the Russians is separate. There's no proof of that at this point.
Correction: Collusion has already been proven. That was proven with that meeting in Trump tower. HOWEVER, collusion isn't illegal. Conspiracy is illegal. Conspiracy hasn't been proven. Yet.
originally posted by: timequake
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: face23785
The issue of whether Trump actively colluded with the Russians is separate. There's no proof of that at this point.
Correction: Collusion has already been proven. That was proven with that meeting in Trump tower. HOWEVER, collusion isn't illegal. Conspiracy is illegal. Conspiracy hasn't been proven. Yet.
You mean a single meeting between Trump Jr. and a women who happened to be a Russian lawyer about possible dirt on Hillary? One that no one tried to hide at all.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: face23785
No. I'm going to wait until he releases that minority report and read it. According to the article I posted, it should more align with how the Senate Intelligence investigation is going. As stands though, Schiff has proven to be more trustworthy in regards to this investigation than House Republicans have shown themselves to be. Devin Nunes, for instance, is an embarrassment to our government with how blatantly he lies to cover for the administration.
Do you take these House Republicans at face value considering their conclusion differs not only from what Mueller is determining but also what the very people in their party but in the Senate are finding?
How has Schiff proven more trustworthy? He just keeps saying "We have evidence. Trust us." and nothing has come out yet. I don't take any of them at face value. That's why I said the committee investigations were a waste of time and money, you can't trust any of them to be objective.
Schiff proved himself with the memo issue by correcting the record when Nunes tried to obfuscate things with that partisan travesty of a memo. Of course Schiff may not follow through on this claim he just made, but I see no reason to believe he won't follow through at this moment.
Also, ultimately, I trust the Mueller investigation the most, but even when the Mueller investigation ends if he finds wrongdoing and Congress isn't on board then no justice will be served.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Perfectenemy
Um... No. I'm not an investigator and anything I can find you can easily find with the same Google search I'd make. Furthermore, the claim that Putin and co. literally HACKED the election is a strawman argument, so I don't have to address that silliness at all.