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Fatal Delusions of Western Man

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posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nwtrucker

Whoa, whoa boy! I'm pretty sure the US spearheaded the illegal invasion of Iraq. Have you ever heard of the PNAC?


Have you heard of Sykes-Picot agreement? That mess goes back earlier....




posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nwtrucker

Whoa, whoa boy! I'm pretty sure the US spearheaded the illegal invasion of Iraq. Have you ever heard of the PNAC?


Have you heard of Sykes-Picot agreement? That mess goes back earlier....


I didnt know about that one thanks!



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nwtrucker

Whoa, whoa boy! I'm pretty sure the US spearheaded the illegal invasion of Iraq. Have you ever heard of the PNAC?


Have you heard of Sykes-Picot agreement? That mess goes back earlier....

Have you been told yet, the Earth is round. What happens on one side effects the other side. We get a lot of our electronics used in our military plane, tanks and so forth from places like Japan. If we loose that our military will grind to a hault in about 6 months. In the 30s people said let them take care of Hitler he's not our problem. Except for the American flag ships that were being sunk. And I'm not talking just about the ones going to England. They were sinking ships right here in our waters before 1941. All that happened before the internet. If you think that we can get away with ignoring China then you're blind, and clueless about how the world truly works. There's no such thing as that's their problem.



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nwtrucker

Whoa, whoa boy! I'm pretty sure the US spearheaded the illegal invasion of Iraq. Have you ever heard of the PNAC?


Have you heard of Sykes-Picot agreement? That mess goes back earlier....

Have you been told yet, the Earth is round. What happens on one side effects the other side. We get a lot of our electronics used in our military plane, tanks and so forth from places like Japan. If we loose that our military will grind to a hault in about 6 months. In the 30s people said let them take care of Hitler he's not our problem. Except for the American flag ships that were being sunk. And I'm not talking just about the ones going to England. They were sinking ships right here in our waters before 1941. All that happened before the internet. If you think that we can get away with ignoring China then you're blind, and clueless about how the world truly works. There's no such thing as that's their problem.


Perhaps you misunderstand. No one said 'ignore' China. Pretty hard ro do.Yes?

Why you think Japan would align with China is beyond me. Besides, no one wins if China goes down. No one wins if the U.S. goes down either.

Yes, the world is round and the U.S. didn't invent Bull#. Others are just as good producers as us....

edit on 11-3-2018 by nwtrucker because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack


We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.


Talk about the usual delusions.


Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.


It's your usual post. It demands the usual response. You have a China claiming the majority of the South China Sea as their territory and trumping all regional claims by it's neighbors. Territorial grab and nothing more. Even Communist Vietnam is kowtowing to the U.S.-as is all of China's neighbors- asking for U.S. support, miltarily, to counter Chinese moves.

Yet as you usually do, you ignore that obvious point and dump on the U.S..

China only want to do business....yep. Their way their rules and if you don't like it they militarize the region.

Your post is garbage.

Like the Middle East, this is Asia's beef to hash out, not ours. We need to keep our goddamn nose out of it and let them fight their own fights. They managed for many millennia before we started meddling over there, I think they'll still be able to resolve their own conflicts without the West butting in & hovering.


In case you've foregotten, the U.S. has been stuck as the world's lone superpower since the end of WWII. The ME is a European mess the U.S. has been sucked into.

The rest of the world has basically thrived under that lone superpower. So spare me your likely young and myopic view of Asia.

That isolationist mentality in the U.S. gave birth to both WWi and WWII. China needs to be reined in a bit. Simple.

Don't like it? Tough.

Mmm, and all the places we "saved", tried to, or occupied for one reason or another are such shining pinnacles of undeniable successes. Haiti? Laos? Vietnam? Cambodia? Somalia? Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Abject failures, turning stable into horrific, and making unstable s# worse, yeah, we've done such a world of good beyond a couple of iffy debates like WW2.

We're the reverse of Midas, everything we touch degrades.



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: SlowNail
Gee, better assassinate their "dictator" and force "regime change".


Not going to happen because the Chinese gov does a better job helping the people more than the US gov.

The elephant is actually India not China. They say elephants are afraid of mouses. We are the mouse, the people in masses. Elephant hasn't made any moves yet. Why do you think India remains a poor country? It is afraid of the mouse.

Just wait til depop happens. US is controlled by the snake. Eagle is not catching snake, you wonder why the country is a mess. Instead, it is pitting against the dragon for dominance and pissing off the bear.

What we have here is Lion(UK), Eagle(US) and its allies vs Dragon, Bear and its allies. The snake is poisonous.



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: makemap


Not going to happen because the Chinese gov does a better job helping the people more than the US gov.


How does the Chinese government do a better job than the U.S. government in helping its' people?



posted on Mar, 11 2018 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BotheLumberJack


We deluded ourselves. It did not happen. Xi Jinping just changed China’s constitution to allow him to be dictator for life. He continues to thieve intellectual property from U.S. companies and to occupy and fortify islets in the South China Sea, which Beijing now claims as entirely its own.

Blah blah. Chia wants a share of the International market like any other country. Nitpicking their 'interests' makes it look like we are the ones meddling, all the way over there.

Which we are. Fleets of carrier strike forces, military bases surrounding Eastern Asia in Japan, Philippines, THADD missiles on the Asian continent (in Korea).

The uS wants to marginalize Chinas business interests militarily, China just wants to do business.


Talk about the usual delusions.


Care to elaborate? Or just your usual response to my posts.


It's your usual post. It demands the usual response. You have a China claiming the majority of the South China Sea as their territory and trumping all regional claims by it's neighbors. Territorial grab and nothing more. Even Communist Vietnam is kowtowing to the U.S.-as is all of China's neighbors- asking for U.S. support, miltarily, to counter Chinese moves.

Yet as you usually do, you ignore that obvious point and dump on the U.S..

China only want to do business....yep. Their way their rules and if you don't like it they militarize the region.

Your post is garbage.

Like the Middle East, this is Asia's beef to hash out, not ours. We need to keep our goddamn nose out of it and let them fight their own fights. They managed for many millennia before we started meddling over there, I think they'll still be able to resolve their own conflicts without the West butting in & hovering.


In case you've foregotten, the U.S. has been stuck as the world's lone superpower since the end of WWII. The ME is a European mess the U.S. has been sucked into.

The rest of the world has basically thrived under that lone superpower. So spare me your likely young and myopic view of Asia.

That isolationist mentality in the U.S. gave birth to both WWi and WWII. China needs to be reined in a bit. Simple.

Don't like it? Tough.

Mmm, and all the places we "saved", tried to, or occupied for one reason or another are such shining pinnacles of undeniable successes. Haiti? Laos? Vietnam? Cambodia? Somalia? Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Abject failures, turning stable into horrific, and making unstable s# worse, yeah, we've done such a world of good beyond a couple of iffy debates like WW2.

We're the reverse of Midas, everything we touch degrades.


All real stable prior to the U.S. Nothing but the U.S. involved. Khyber Rouge and the like nothing to do with it. Just "western Man". "Stable into horrific". The locals have nothing to do with it. Gotcha.

Yep, China, India and many other Southeast Asian nations haven't flourished under a stable post cold war, lone superpower.

I know better, most on ATS do, as well. I'm not going to change your mind. Go for it. Hate.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: MikeA


These are all areas that began with "Well it's not really our problem.

Other 'areas' , i.e., countries, aren't 'our problem' to meddle in.

What logic control freaks make up to justify butting into other nations internal affairs.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker


It's your usual post. It demands the usual response.


History isn't delusional. As usual thanks for not addressing one single iota of my post with your usual 'garbage reply.' :


Your post is garbage.

I would ask you to elaborate again, but since your only response is denial, delusion and insult...

nvm



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 06:05 AM
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a reply to: BotheLumberJack


The US only wants to marginalize China's Business interests militarily ( and their interest in our LAND) and taking over US Companies. But.. China just wants to do business.

Last time I checked Asia isn't North America. US is forced to accept credit from China because we are a debtor nation, lol.

Please, please, buy us out of debt, says US banker man.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: BotheLumberJack
Perhaps if the West stop alienating, whole continents (shtholes) and stop with the patronising attitude, maybe things wouldn't look so scary, the west had a centuries head start to develop positive relationships instead of throwing Aid money with conditions of all sorts, you know carrot & stick foreign policy, instead of trade and infrastructure development.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

A waste of time. You dump on the U.S. exclusively and ignore everyone else's acts.

I respond only to point out to others the one sided aspect of your military posts.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: BotheLumberJack
Perhaps if the West stop alienating, whole continents (shtholes) and stop with the patronising attitude, maybe things wouldn't look so scary, the west had a centuries head start to develop positive relationships instead of throwing Aid money with conditions of all sorts, you know carrot & stick foreign policy, instead of trade and infrastructure development.


And don't forget that before the aid money and carrot/stick approach, there were the Western colonialism and imperialism eras. At one point, European countries had militarily conquered almost the entire world. And even though we pretty much act like that stuff is a bygone era, those other countries surely haven't forgotten it, particularly since most of them just gained independence from their Western imperial masters during the decolonization period of the Cold War.

(China's Communist Party rose to power specifically as a backlash to the West's "Unequal Treaties" of the 1800s, which saw China get carved up and exploited economically by various Western powers.)



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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According to the ATS consensus, it’s the West’s fault, and nothing to do with communism.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: BotheLumberJack

China is a very interesting topic to say the least.

Their ruling party is the communist party, but their economy is not communist. It is mixed economy that has actually boomed through their capitalist machine, and have made ground-breaking jumps forward through their collective wealth in places like the space program. They continue to show how innovative and intelligent they are.

Also, and I know this is a point many are misinformed on, but the US is not being sold-off to China. They own very little of our debt.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

China is a very interesting topic to say the least.

Their ruling party is the communist party, but their economy is not communist. It is mixed economy that has actually boomed through their capitalist machine, and have made ground-breaking jumps forward through their collective wealth in places like the space program. They continue to show how innovative and intelligent they are.

Also, and I know this is a point many are misinformed on, but the US is not being sold-off to China. They own very little of our debt.


It’s described as a “socialist market economy” or “state capitalism”, and it’s designed by the Communist party to be a preliminary stage of socialism. Most socialist states have a communist ruling party.



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: intrptr

A waste of time. You dump on the U.S. exclusively and ignore everyone else's acts.

I respond only to point out to others the one sided aspect of your military posts.


US is the one "Dumping" thousands of tons of High Explosives on the world. You defend that, you defend a twisted foreign policy.

How much does China bomb the world again?



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: intrptr

A waste of time. You dump on the U.S. exclusively and ignore everyone else's acts.

I respond only to point out to others the one sided aspect of your military posts.


US is the one "Dumping" thousands of tons of High Explosives on the world. You defend that, you defend a twisted foreign policy.

How much does China bomb the world again?


China takes the territory without bombing....so far. Bombing? Hmmm. Isis? Taliban? Better than losing U.S. servicemen.

Of course, if you had your druthers, we wouldn't do anything and let the mess get worse. I don't like it, but better than keeping one's head in the sand and avoid war 'at all costs' which merely induces others to take advantage of that 'isolationist' mentality. That bought us both WWI and WWII.

Of course, if one buys into your posts, everyone else are the good guys. Yeah, right.

I will continue pointing out what you omit in your one sided diatribes. Just saying..



posted on Mar, 12 2018 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



It’s described as a “socialist market economy” or “state capitalism”, and it’s designed by the Communist party to be a preliminary stage of socialism.


What you call it is not necessarily an indication of it's design.

Whatever you want to call it, it works quite well it appears. Private industry is allowed to flourish and the state provides a basic level of existence for it's people, only when necessary, having a very small part of the population in poverty.

But at least you admit it really has nothing to do with communism, as you stated earlier.



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