Parkland deputy heard shots inside Stoneman Douglas building, told cops to stay away: records

a reply to: network dude

Oh really? They dont have semi and fully automatic on a switch? Maybe you should stick to networks, but to be certain let's see the security videos. Oh wait, we can't. Just like Orlando, Vegas and the one that we can't say here but may rhyme with handy book. I don't need the gore. I just want to see the hallways on all 3 floors simultaneously. I want to see the kid walking the path described by the times in the report.

You do know that the defense withdrew Cruz's guilty plea, right?

Thanks to the ar mentality

i know that is where i loose most of those that i share most in common with but one logically thinking has to be able to see that even though we have not brought the military style weapons to full availability into mainstream through our ignorance we have brought all of it's baggage into society with full auto mentality intact and that is a problem most will not accept.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: network dude

oh come on not all military weapons are full auto but most are. If we are going to get picky then we must use facts but i agree that soo many people relate the look alikes for the real thing but there is a reason for that. If i dress up in a black panther outfit then people will assume i am a racist. scratch that it is a bad example. If i dress up in a kkk outfit then people will assume i am in the klan.

Herein lay the problem. You're calling it a military weapon because it LOOKS like a military weapon, not because it is one or functions like one. If I hang a NASCAR body on a Honda Civic that doesn't make it a race car. Trying to make laws against it like it is a race car would be silly. It simply doesn't perform like one. Even if you call it a "race car-style vehicle" it's still not a race car.

AR-15s are not a military weapon. They look like one for marketing purposes, that's all. The sooner gun control advocates give up this fake talking point, the sooner we can have a real discussion about the issue and potential solutions. You can't have an honest discussion with people who are intentionally being dishonest or just ignorant about the topic.

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: network dude

Oh really? They dont have semi and fully automatic on a switch? Maybe you should stick to networks, but to be certain let's see the security videos. Oh wait, we can't. Just like Orlando, Vegas and the one that we can't say here but may rhyme with handy book. I don't need the gore. I just want to see the hallways on all 3 floors simultaneously. I want to see the kid walking the path described by the times in the report.

You do know that the defense withdrew Cruz's guilty plea, right?

Still believe the myth that casino hotels in Vegas are covered by cameras? If you don't even know that this is false, what else are you wrong about? Read

I cant really believe that parents are sending first graders to school with guns. The level of stupidity for that to even be seen as a viable option for someone means the bar is lower than ever before.

Any data to show that there is indeed a uptick in this behaviour due to this event?
This data is a few years old but it shows the high school kids have always been packing.
www.childtrends.org...


Some people are loosing it collectively.

I have a .22 caliber rifle that you would call military because of how it looks it's a pea shooter in reality, now the .444 marlin looks like nothing special with its wooden stock and plain design.however it will shoot right threw a car,one bullet will destroy a whole engine block and it shoots really really far.

a reply to: face23785

i think you should reread my whole post cause you missed the point but i will continue.

If I hang a NASCAR body on a Honda Civic that doesn't make it a race car.

it is not equivalent

you would have to have a race car that is street legal and then have a governer on it in order to be close to the same thing

if you drive around a car with the same platform but has been governed then you will get much looks and be stopped alot.

people will assume that it is a race car until you explain it to them. Insurance companies will not give you fair rates because of the mentality that comes with driving a real race car around. it would change your life much in ways you or i at this time can not fully perceive...

originally posted by: Athetos
I cant really believe that parents are sending first graders to school with guns. The level of stupidity for that to even be seen as a viable option for someone means the bar is lower than ever before.

Any data to show that there is indeed a uptick in this behaviour due to this event?
This data is a few years old but it shows the high school kids have always been packing.
www.childtrends.org...


Some people are loosing it collectively.
a reply to: howtonhawky

actually i do not think the data has had time to be corrulated yet. I was only speaking of the past week.

there was a killing in ala. high school a couple days ago where another was injured and deemed accident

there has been the teacher that locked himself in the class last week with a gun

there was a 1st grader that had a weapon at school yesterday. it could have been 3rd grade i am going off memory

there was the collage kid that shot his parents

locally i have heard of a couple guns being confiscated and countless around the nation threats made where follow ups at homes have found bombs and weapons stashes

gun

gun

here is the top two search results when searching "kid brings gun to school"

I swear i am not an advocate for gun control but damn people control your weapons

this is out of hand and there is a mentality that has crept into our minds by way of the look alikes

we used to have a cowboy mentality and now we have a gi joe mentality

it is a fact

yes all too common these days I agree. but I still feel the problem lies in the mental well-being of the average citizen and not the fact that guns exist and are used. No gun? Make a bomb,no bomb? Get a vehicle,no vehicle? a knife then,no knife? A stick no stick? The rock,no rock,the fist. The medium of the violence that is used isn't the cause of the violence its the brain that's the danger.

What's wrong with society and why are youth and those who are vulnerable pushed to such extremes I do not know but I hope that one day we find out!

Thanks for the thought provoking thread.

a reply to: howtonhawky

I'm out before i piss of the whole world. I am just looking logical at things.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: face23785

i think you should reread my whole post cause you missed the point but i will continue.

If I hang a NASCAR body on a Honda Civic that doesn't make it a race car.

it is not equivalent

you would have to have a race car that is street legal and then have a governer on it in order to be close to the same thing

if you drive around a car with the same platform but has been governed then you will get much looks and be stopped alot.

people will assume that it is a race car until you explain it to them. Insurance companies will not give you fair rates because of the mentality that comes with driving a real race car around. it would change your life much in ways you or i at this time can not fully perceive...

It actually is equivalent, you just made my case. You're talking about regulating something based on the way it looks instead of the way it functions. That's asinine, whether it's with a gun or a car. My insurance company wouldn't even know I had a NASCAR body on my Civic, because mechanically it's still a Civic and the VIN belongs to a Civic. AR-15s are not a military weapon, and pretending they are does indeed make you sound like a gun control nut. Basing that off the way you've been functioning in this thread. "But that's how people perceive it" is incorrect. That's how people who don't know anything perceive it. There are plenty of threads about firearms education if you want more. I won't derail the thread any further.

originally posted by: Quauhtli
Not to be in his defence, but I wonder if this officer was ever trained on how to deal with an active shooter who’s armed with military grade firearms. Or if he has actually ever been in a firefight during his career.

I don’t know enough about the circumstances to really weigh in, but if his training and experience were lacking, it doesn’t seem too much of a reach for him to have froze up and act negligently. Most people without military experience, even law enforcement officers don’t really know how they’ll react in a situation like that. Especially if they haven’t had sufficient periodic trading for these types of situations. On top of that, the buddy system is extremely important. The confidence level drops extremely low when you face situations like this alone, even with experience.

1) yes. Cops train for that sort of thing
2) what is "military grade?" The military certainly wouldn't use any of those weapons. Do you mean to say that cops, when faced with any semi-automatic weapon, are helpless?

a reply to: face23785

really this bs

you are not being logical

You're talking about regulating something based on the way it looks instead of the way it functions.

i am not talking about what you claim

in real life you have to pay more for insurance if your car is red.

because of the way it looks

there is a mentality that comes with looks.

twist and turn all you want you are digging a deep hole of ignorrance

a reply to: face23785

is this really how you function by inserting things that i never said.

AR-15s are not a military weapon, and pretending they are does indeed make you sound like a gun control nut.

no one but you is pretending anything

you hole will grow deeper with your lies

"But that's how people perceive it" is incorrect. That's how people who don't know anything perceive it.

lol think before you post cause words mean stuff

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: network dude

You do know that the defense withdrew Cruz's guilty plea, right?

You've got that backwards:

Alleged school killer withdraws not guilty plea

Confessed Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz is withdrawing his preliminary not guilty plea and instead will enter no plea at all, his lawyer said in court papers.

Assistant Public Defender Melisa McNeill said in the papers filed Thursday that Cruz, 19, “stands mute” before the court, and that the not guilty plea was entered “prematurely.”

On Wednesday, Cruz was formally indicted on 17 counts of murder and 17 counts of attempted murder in the deadly Feb. 14 shooting rampage at Parkland’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School that left 17 people dead.

Cruz’s public defender has said he’ll plead guilty if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, which would mean life in prison.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Woodcarver

the possession could have just been ignorance

you said demon not i

you infer too much while wishing bad things for me and that is not looking good for you.

try reading and being nice

Possessed by ignorance? I’ve never even heard of that term. Besides I’ve seen your other post in the religious threads, so i know you have some peculiar beliefs.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Woodcarver

the possession could have just been ignorance

you said demon not i

you infer too much while wishing bad things for me and that is not looking good for you.

try reading and being nice

Possessed by ignorance? I’ve never even heard of that term. Besides I’ve seen your other post in the religious threads, so i know you have some peculiar beliefs.

ok but the kneejerk conclusions get old when one automatically assume that i am full of it simply cause i have beliefs. seems like mental discrimination.

i strive for facts and in my mind you can not find fault in this thread and if you can before you jump on it perhaps next time view it from all angles before attacking?

but no worries cause i have the same faults much

i guess my point is that the possession comment was the least important thing i posted but you choose to highlight it just to try to degrade me personally while ignoring a decent news story.

a reply to: Quauhtli

He didn't have military grade firearms. There was no selector switch...

Jaden

a reply to: Boadicea

A public defender on a multiple capital murder case? I mean, obviously nobody wants to be the guy who defended a school shooter, but isn't this a bit above what a public defender would normally be expected to handle?

a reply to: bender151

I guess what i meant was that it seems kind of scary to me trying to come up against someone with an AR15 and an unknown amount of 30 round clips while only being armed with a pistol and a few rounds.

I really don’t have that much info on this story and probably shouldn’t be we weighing in here. It’s just that it wouldn’t surprise me if this guy lacked the necessary traning and experience to deal with the situation effectively.

All that said. It seems like 2 seconds of assessment should bring anyone with any sort of weapon to the conclusion that there are children in harms way, and it’s your duty to try and help out the best you can.. So a I don’t know really what to think. The one thing I’m kind of certain of is that some officers join the force for the power influence and comradeship more than they do for the opportunity to serve and protect.