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Trump agrees to meet with North Korea's Kim Jong Un, South Korea says

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posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 08:51 PM

originally posted by: silo13

originally posted by: Plotus
a reply to: silo13
What you say is true. Some do, but I don't want Kim dead or North Korea destroyed, the world would reel, chaos rule supreme and life as we know it would be a nanosecond from twelve on the dooms day clock. I truly hope something Very Productive comes of this. In the end it would likely resemble the symbiosis that Japan had with us after WWII. Commerce, feeding a staving mass of people who's only crime/bad luck, was being born in North Korea.

There's much to be gained here, and long term.

*High Five* - I sure hope and pray so.

I would just loath the people of Korea North being nuked. How utterly tragic that would be.

Let's just keep a great attitude of peace and prayers and all directed towards Kim realizing the best for him and his country is to disarm and reap the benefits America will bestow on them.

I don't think nuking North Korea is seriously being considered by anyone. If we do strike it will be like the beginning of the Gulf War. We will hit government targets, command and control buildings of his military, things like that. We aren't going to decimate the population.

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 08:56 PM

originally posted by: Willtell

Trump better cease the silly pompous nonsense and just try to get a decent deal

If it's working, it's not silly.
You realize our intelligence agencies have very in-depth psychological information about every world leader for the president? They can tell the president what ways to speak to someone to get results. The things Trump has said and done have riled Kim Jong Un into action. Sometimes you need to piss people off a little to get their attention, which is probably exactly what Trump was supposed to do. Kim isn't used to being trash-talked by world super-powers, and when it happened, it probably threw him for a complete loop.
People call Trump an idiot for insulting Kim, but it's really the exact opposite.

Classic Art of War.

“Rouse him, and learn the principle of his activity or inactivity. Force him to reveal himself, so as to find out his vulnerable spots.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 09:04 PM
Good move by South Korea in trying to broker Peace.

I really think the whole exercise is an attempt by the United Korean Peoples, to get the USA to actually disarm All its Nuclear Arsenal.......The Greatest Thread to World Peace.

With all its unstable politicians, War Mongering Military Chiefs and "We control the World" Billionaires, The World fears the USA, if ever anarchy were to reign in their country, who knows what the rogue Americans would do.
Just look at their Hollywood Pop Culture, propaganda.....Death Destruction, Killings, Invasions etc et.

Thank goodness we have sensible leaders like Lil Kim, who wish for Peace for all (except for his Uncle and others), that can, at least, try an talk some sense into the Leader of the Scared World, Uncle create peace and freedom for all.

Lets disarm the USA first, as a gesture of good will and peace to Mankind....

What say all you Earth Humans.....Peace, or forever US lead Wars?

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 09:08 PM
*stops building bunker out the back*

Wait, what??

Awwwww, I have so much mortar and lead bricks left over now..

Doesn't feel right to me. One will have to concede, and one will have to overrule. neither one, can I see, conceding.

Things will either get better, or much tighter. Like between a rock and a hard place, tighter.

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 10:03 PM

originally posted by: DBCowboy
*Mind blowing*

What if Trump finally ended the Korean war?

Liberals would complain about Trump putting military out of business, pause for a second, then realize their quagmire.

Giggity Giggity

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 10:05 PM

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
This is crazy. Frankly, I never thought I'd see the day. Let's hope Trump can convince Dear Leader to liberate his people from the clutches of socialism.

You mean a dictatorship ... not socialism.

I mean socialism.

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 10:09 PM

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: face23785

You don’t understand a meeting isn’t necessarily a good thing.

In diplomacy, a meeting can backfire.

Wait to see what happens before you give Trump any praise

He has messed things up before.

I'm not praising it at all because I think Un is playing him. But you have to acknowledge he's gotten further with his "silly pompous nonsense" than 8 years of "strategic patience" ever did.

Obama stopped Iran from getting a nuke.

If you really believe that you have entered the twilight zone, or a state of complete delusion and misinformation.

Obama bolstered their nuclear ambitions by paying them cash, foreign cash actually, with interest. Not simply just releasing the US funds they were holding, which common sense would say is the logical approach, no, he sent pallets of cash.

Tell me more how Obama kept them from getting a nuke please.

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 10:22 PM
So, I turned on CNN for the first time in months to see what they would say about this. So Don Lemon starts talking and basically describes what the South Korean Defense minister said. This took 30 seconds.

Then he said this was achieved by Trump going Rogue, and that makes him dangerous. His next sentence was something about Stormy Daniels. All of this happened in less than the first minute of his show.

Needless to say, it will be several more months before I turn on CNN, because obviously they are literally INSANE with TDS.

I fear for anyone who actually watches that on a regular basis - it is pure poison.

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 10:24 PM

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Willtell

Clinton's "deal" was to release 2 US prisoners. That was it.

Bill Clinton Touts North Korea Deal in 1994

You're wrong.

No, your wrong

1994 - NK will freeze (temporarily stop) nuclear ambitions until talks happen. Talks happen, sanctions lifted, NK pursues it's nuclear ambition.

2018 - SK representatives speaking on behalf of NK announce NK is willing to come to the table and negotiate a DE-NUCLEARIZATION, not a freeze, rather a complete halt on ambitions, and missile tests too.

The willingness of NK right now is unprecedented, and it's something Trump can make happen. Even in your loathe for the sitting president, can you find a effing moment to hope he does good?

Does the re-unification of Korea sound good to you? Does the re-unification of Korea sound bitter if Trump is involved?

Ask yourself that question, and answer it to yourself honestly.

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 10:55 PM

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Willtell

Newsflash Iran has nukes.

They got them from old Soviet Union blackmarketeers.


They probably got them from Israel.

a reply to: dianajune

1. We still have prisoners being held by North Korea. What - if anything - is being done to secure their release?

USA is supposed to have a standard/policy of not negotiating for hostages. It's a possible outcome of the individuals that take on that job or venture that they will no longer be in the US and it is on their own free will. NK doesn't come to America and kidnap people.

2. Otto Warmbier's murder remains unpunished.

He chose to travel to NK and also chose to break their laws. We cannot go after every country that punishes our citizens for doing dumbass kid things. All we can hope is parents are actually teaching their kids about the world and different countries and cultures.

3. North Korea has not only nukes, but also chemical and biological weapons, some of which have already been used (i.e. - the murder of Kim's brother last year.....possible interference on the part of NK in Syria).

We just imposed sanctions for that, and I believe there is a thread here about it.

4. Why would Kim suddenly do a complete 360? What would he have to gain? He's been working his nukes and other wmd's for a long time. Why would he suddenly give up those programs and let them go to waste?

That's the thing that makes me go hmmm also. Foil hat comes out and I start thinking about the Hawaii missile scare and maybe a missile was actually fired from NK, but intercepted shortly after. The complete 180 in NK stance has me baffled as well. Either sanctions are finally working (not likely due to China) or something scared NK into compliance. Or a third possible option, but a horrible one from a conspiracy theorists view.

Third option (obviously there are more, I only thought of 3), Kim Jong Un is western educated, and enjoys all the things his communist regime cannot provide him. Unlike his father and grandfather, he grew up with technology that advanced in leaps and bounds. Maybe him killing off all the old guard was killing off the threats he would face in freeing NK. Maybe the western part of him wants to see it happen, and he wants nothing to do with it, but he has to.

At this moment we should be supporting Trump to talk with NK, not worried about his possible affairs, that is unless you only care about tabloid.

edit on 8-3-2018 by Vector99 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 11:29 PM
a reply to: Vector99

Fourth option:

Kim has, to his satisfaction, achieved a level of nuclear weaponization he feels is sufficient to bargain with: something that would be perceived as a credible threat by the US and its allies.

He presents evidence to this achievement to Trump at their meeting and then demands concessions he knows the US would never agree to.

Remember, due to the extensive coverage in the world media regarding US politics and politicians, especially when compared to the inner working of North Korea, it is likely that Kim Jong Un knows at least as much about the psychology of Trump as Trump knows about Kim.

If the US pulls out of these talks, for ANY REASON, it will be seen as a win by the North (and likely South) Koreans (remember also that the current South Korean government is far more “sympathetic” in their attitude towards their Northern cousins than past administrations have been).

And that “win”, in combination with their now unfettered nuclear arsenal, could be all the North would need to establish itself as the de facto deal-making “muscle” in Asia (under the aegis of China, of course).

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 11:43 PM
a reply to: Bhadhidar

He is offering to talk about complete de-nuclearization, so that option is kinda null

posted on Mar, 8 2018 @ 11:52 PM

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Bhadhidar

He is offering to talk about complete de-nuclearization, so that option is kinda null

He’s offering “to talk about complete de-nuclearization”.

That is a far cry from actually giving up the weapons he’s spent his career developing.

Again, what else could Kim offer that would get Trump to the table?

One of the basic tactics in many martial arts is to “bend like a willow” to allow your opponent’s own actions to throw him off balance.

Kim has already succeeded in that Trump has accepted the invitation.

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 12:00 AM
Hope for the best, expect the worst, reality will most likely be somewhere in the middle.

If things go very well, then Bravo Trump (although I still don't like your policys on several fronts...but props for this)

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 12:13 AM
I really hope this is true. Nobody wants to be at war. They all talk the talk, but if it came to actually sending a nuke to another country, I'm sure they would immediately have second thoughts.
It's a huge game of one-upmanship and who has the biggest ego. A chess game that nobody can win without causing mass destruction.
My suspicious mind always kicks in when I read of meetings like this. I hope I'm wrong on this occasion though.

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 12:14 AM

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Bhadhidar

He is offering to talk about complete de-nuclearization, so that option is kinda null

He’s offering “to talk about complete de-nuclearization”.

That is a far cry from actually giving up the weapons he’s spent his career developing.

You are aware of the definition of 'complete' right?

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 12:16 AM
a reply to: Bhadhidar

North Koreas economy is collapsing there reserves is expected to run out in April or may. With no currency all foreign trade stops completely. Hes desperate as countries that saved him in the past cant or wont save them. He no longer gets money from Russia they cant afford it. South Korea no longer gives money to the regime and even China is backing off there support.

His only option to remain in power is to talk and get someone to supply money to keep him in power. Youcant control a country without capitol to do so. No president has ever been able to do have a meeting with North Koreans Trump pulled off the impossible.

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 12:50 AM
Do you really believe that Kim will pose with Trump, most likely in Beijing together with the Chinese Xi?

And if that happens after all years of hostile rhetoric and missile testing, why would it happen? Who will benefit?

Cash strapped NKorea accepted denuclearization in return of normalcy with the US? After they built hydrogen bomb, and supermodern center of Pyongyang? Don't tell me please, that Kim wants to start importing Western food and cars, and cell phones for the impoverished population, so they can vote for him on the next elections...That could be good for the Western public opinion, but cannot be farther from the truth.

Will Kim simply lie, and after triumphal meetings to boost his prestige and that of China, he will test even more powerful atmospheric bomb?
Or there is something else in the agenda?

Strange enough, it comes only days after Russia announced to the world it has superior weapons known from the Sci Fi. And day after US introduced hard tariffs to the Chinese imports. So China will play benefactor of humanity to restrain its naughty neighbour kid at the same time?

Trump has a good reason for meeting Kim. If diplomacy fails and the things go to war after that, he will remain in history as the only US president who tried personally to avert the next war. That may turn to be the last war.
edit on 9-3-2018 by 2012newstart because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 01:40 AM
Trump has to go to the meeting.

The popular liberal rhetoric used to be popular before we were actually on the brink of war, the rhetoric is this:

"If Trump meets with Kim Jong Un then he legitimizes him"

The reality is, if Trump doesn't meet with Kim Jong Un then he hasn't done everything possible to prevent the inevitable terrible war coming.

The people who are bashing Trump for this are so stupid or biased it's shameful. He HAS to go or he'll never be forgiven for the war that's coming.

posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 03:06 AM
a reply to: DBCowboy

The old astronauts prayer?

Dear lord, don't let us F*** this up!

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