Trump Administration Makes Elephants Fair Game For Hunters As Trophy Ban is Lifted

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: lostbook
What says ATS?

Unless and until elephants start roaming the wilds of the USA, the US government really has no business making any laws regarding elephant trophies, period. This was the right call by the administration... let the countries that have wild elephants make the decisions on whether or not they can be legally hunted, same as I demand this country's controls over our animals remain 100% sovereign.

I like the way you put that.

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: Gothmog

Trump Administration Makes Elephants Fair Game For Hunters As Trophy Ban is Lifted

My question to you is , when is the last time an elephant was reported in the wild in the US ?

These are wild Elephants from Africa. Obama put a ban on the import of Elephant body parts for trophies. Now with the ban lifted there will be more Elephants hunted and killed.

Ban elephant guns!!!

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
“Trophies” are earned, in competition, which takes place on a level playing field...

Shooting defenceless creatures dead from a safe distance does not meet that criteria, in any way whatsoever!



To claim otherwise is nothing but absolute garbage.

It's Africa... there is no "safe distance" that can reach any animal with a bullet while not also being in the line of fire from a lion, a pissed off bull elephant, cheetah, etc. LOL... how many miles do you have to drive from your home before you can no longer see concrete aside from the road you're driving? The dichotomy between urban and rural positions on hunting is one that absolutely cannot be denied... the difference is the rural world doesn't insult or criticize the urban for not hunting, why? Because we really don't care whether YOU hunt or not, your call, do as thou wilt. That said, ever notice this argument is almost without fail one that involves numerous urbanites trying to force their will onto those of us who do hunt for food, hides, and hell yeah, even antlers or ivory in this case? I have antler handled knifes, antler pistol grips, hell I even have an old moose antler I use with a moose scapula to crash the brush and draw in big bulls during hunting season... "trophies" are oftentimes functional, my friend.

originally posted by: carewemust
Why is an elephant so important to protect? What about other hunted animals?

Elephants are wednesday's child.

Gorillas are mondays.

Rhino's are tmw.

originally posted by: Scrubdog

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: lostbook


I'm sure this will lower the price of Elephant Trophies. That will make collectors happy, but poachers and smugglers pissed.

No, all it does is put a price on hunting one.

They left it open to "individual case by case decisions" - you can bet that people who donate big money to Trump will have their case looked on very favorably.

It's nothing more than a means to profit off the presidency. There is no other justification for it. None.

Wish I were president.

I'd put a bounty on anyone I wanted.

Then get them myself.

Poke them with a nuclear umbrella.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
“Trophies” are earned, in competition, which takes place on a level playing field...

Shooting defenceless creatures dead from a safe distance does not meet that criteria, in any way whatsoever!



To claim otherwise is nothing but absolute garbage.

Ok Tarzan.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: carewemust

It's arguable they may be more self aware, and intelligent that we can imagine..Trump is a POS for this..his kids and other useless life forms/trophy hunters can choke on a d#ck.
Elephants stay with their mothers for up to 16 years, they mourn their dead, I can go on..food for thought.
www.slate.com...

So Trump is responsible for every elephont death?

lol.

White Americans aren't the only killers, ya know. Hate to break it to ya.

Black people kill many more and don't even pay! Sometimes.

South African lions eat 'poacher', leaving just his head

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
“Trophies” are earned, in competition, which takes place on a level playing field...

Shooting defenceless creatures dead from a safe distance does not meet that criteria, in any way whatsoever!



To claim otherwise is nothing but absolute garbage.

It's Africa... there is no "safe distance" that can reach any animal with a bullet while not also being in the line of fire from a lion, a pissed off bull elephant, cheetah, etc. LOL... how many miles do you have to drive from your home before you can no longer see concrete aside from the road you're driving? The dichotomy between urban and rural positions on hunting is one that absolutely cannot be denied... the difference is the rural world doesn't insult or criticize the urban for not hunting, why? Because we really don't care whether YOU hunt or not, your call, do as thou wilt. That said, ever notice this argument is almost without fail one that involves numerous urbanites trying to force their will onto those of us who do hunt for food, hides, and hell yeah, even antlers or ivory in this case? I have antler handled knifes, antler pistol grips, hell I even have an old moose antler I use with a moose scapula to crash the brush and draw in big bulls during hunting season... "trophies" are oftentimes functional, my friend.

Yeah! I have a brolly stand made from the right front foot, of an 8 ton bull.

Just kidding, it's just an ashtray carved out of the skull of a baby taken from a mommy elephant shot with an assault rifle, before it was born.

originally posted by: Reverbs

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Trump is a garbage human being

I agree completely

but he didn't do this.

Doesn't matter does it?

originally posted by: violet

originally posted by: Reverbs

originally posted by: violet
oh No, this is terrible.
How can you not feel heartbroken over it?
Unless of course you indulge in killing animals for sport and self gratification.

Leave the animals alone!

i feel worse about eating meat from enslaved animals myself. Trying to ween myself off or at least find much better meat from happy cows or whatever.

Killing a wild animal quickly is the best their life can offer them. They are all going to die and we all kill to live.

Im not in support of shooting elephants dont get me wrong.

I just dont think people realize what goes into grocery stores.. its not killing if its wrapped in plastic by somone else? Its just putting a hit out through a third party. You still killed the cow.

Yes of course that also true.
I don’t eat much meat myself, never liked it.

As for elephants they are endangered and to lure it to its death, just to take its tusks for ivory or some dumb selfie holding its tail. It’s such a shame to waste a life over some selfie or for decor in their homes. Or whatever it is that gets done.

Ever eat elephant?

Tastes like bald eagle.

Not really, they taste like seagull, does taste like elephant, tho.

A nice chianti and some fava beans, OMG!

originally posted by: violet
oh No, this is terrible.
How can you not feel heartbroken over it?
Unless of course you indulge in killing animals for sport and self gratification.

Leave the animals alone!

And you actually DO feel heartbroken over an animal that you have never seen, that lives on the other side of the world, and honestly, you actually have no idea if it even exists, because reasons?

I'm good. All the elephants I know are doing fine. At least that's what they told me.

My problem is with the cats. They are all evil. And entirely too sneaky. Rubbing up against you, running their little motors. Revolting.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Nope, he is not, never said he was..he may not have been as involved in this decision as I first thought, regardless I wish he would done a little more in this case.
Love the lions eat poacher story I have no use for trophy hunters or poachers.

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I always consider or wonder would hunting be as interesting to hunters if the hunted were also armed?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
I always consider or wonder would hunting be as interesting to hunters if the hunted were also armed?

I fear a pissed off half ton brown bear and an ears pinned 800 lb momma moose WAAAAYYYYYY more than I do any jackass with a pea shooter. Look at it this way, in a shootout I trust my aim more than I fear someone else's. If I turn out to be wrong, the moment their slug exits my brain pan, I die... end of story. A bear mauling or moose stampling, however, lasts awhile. I wish the big game animals of Alaska packed heat instead of claws, sharp hooves, and teeth... it would make for less suspenseful outings for sure.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
Understood, but would hunters still like hunting if animals hunted could defend themselves?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Understood, but would hunters still like hunting if animals hunted could defend themselves?

I'm telling you they do defend themselves and, even more importantly, they often instigate the attack themselves. Regardless, strap the bastards up like Rambo, I'm still hunting them because I need to eat. Can't buy moose, bear, or vlack tail meat at the grocery store, ya?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Understood, but would hunters still like hunting if animals hunted could defend themselves?

Clearly someone who has never been beyond a park or their own city dwelling.

Come on up to the smokies, or perhaps the sawtooths of Idaho, and tell me they cant defend themselves.

Bring it city slicker, oh but just pack a knife, to make it "even"

PS isnt it against T and C to hide your useername?

a reply to: burdman30ott6
Hunting for food not the topic for sport was.
Just something I think about when considering hunting for sport. And alien or terrestrial beings abducting & hunting humans...
Some humans cannot fathom that possibility it seems burdman30ott6, with a vast universe of energy abroad.

More Trump porn I see. The US district court of appeals in DC determined Obamas ban violated rregulatory procedures making the ban illegal. The problem is Zambia and Zimbabwe have made big game hunting part of there conservation programs for wildlife. Before the ban to hunt elephants they would charge 100000.00 because it Wasatch trophy hunt. Now to hunt big game you pay 20000.00 and get a picture. This has severely cut back on the income they receive from reserves meaning they hire less rangers. Without armed rangers to protect the wildlife poachers move in to take animal parts for the Asian markets. Poachers don't restrict what can be killed and will wipe out entire groups to get there prizes.In short allowing trophy hunting gives them the money they need to protect the reserves. And these countries are very concerned with wildlife look at Zambia a third of there country is nature preserves.

By now about Trump porn was not his decision all he can do is decide what restrictions legally be put in place. For example requiring approval by Zambia and zimbabwe showing proof they allowed the hunt.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Understood, but would hunters still like hunting if animals hunted could defend themselves?

I'm telling you they do defend themselves and, even more importantly, they often instigate the attack themselves. Regardless, strap the bastards up like Rambo, I'm still hunting them because I need to eat. Can't buy moose, bear, or vlack tail meat at the grocery store, ya?

I love Vlack meat, is that russian?