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Let's get this right! You're seriously trying to say that old stories some 1500 years older , such as the flood and virgin birth, son of God, miracles, walk on water, raised from the dead, crucified etc etc. From earlier belief systems got it wrong? They didn't actually say that or are you trying to say they prophesied future events. And that the events (exactly the same) in the bible are the true events, they must be true because it says so in the bible? Brainwashed my friend as the quote says "it takes an open mind to see the truth" my continued communication with you is at an end. You remind me of a child who puts their fingers in their ears and goes la la la la. When they hear something they don't like. In fact I've a feeling you probably are a child. You created this thread to look like a debate but in reality you have a point of view that won't be changed and just try and force it on people. As I said I'm glad your God is not my God
Except in the Epic of Gilgamesh the hero of the flood is Utnapishtim not Noah, and it was Enkidu not Adam who is created. Linguistically the Babylonian myths are far older than the Jewish. If anything the Old testament steals from Sumer (and Egypt).
Where did I say anything about radiometric dating? You can use the linguistics, and known history of the area. It is fairly certain that the Jews became monotheistic then monotheistic from being Polytheistic, and as such, it is not really that big a stretch to think that they copied from other nations near by. Just about every other culture did so.
originally posted by: Seede
In other words the Sumerian Kings list [if true] is hundreds of thousands of years older than the creation of the Adamic civilization.
Throughout its Bronze Age existence, the document evolved into a political tool. Its final and single attested version, dating to the Middle Bronze Age,...
The list blends prehistorical, presumably mythical predynastic rulers enjoying implausibly lengthy reigns with later, more plausibly historical dynasties. Although the primal kings are historically unattested,...
The earliest listed ruler whose historicity has been archaeologically verified is Enmebaragesi of Kish, c. 2600 BC. ... However, the fact that many of the dynasties listed reigned simultaneously from varying localities makes it difficult to reproduce a strict linear chronology.
the Sumerian Kings list only supposedly goes back ten thousand years and that because they counted a life of one king to the next end to end.
None of the following predynastic antediluvian rulers have been verified as historical by archaeological excavations, epigraphical inscriptions or otherwise. While there is no evidence they ever reigned as such, the Sumerians purported them to have lived ... before the great deluge.
Ruler: Length of Reign
Alulium: 8 sars (28,800 years)
“Christianity” Becomes a Philosophy
The philosopher Celsus mockingly described Christians as “labourers, shoemakers, farmers, the most uninformed and clownish of men.” This mockery was too much for the apologists to bear. They determined to win over public opinion by resorting to a new tactic. Once rejected, worldly wisdom was now used in the service of the “Christian” cause. Clement of Alexandria, for example, saw philosophy as “true theology.” Justin, though claiming to reject pagan philosophy, was the first to use philosophical language and concepts to express “Christian” ideas, considering this type of philosophy “to be safe and profitable.”
From this point on, the strategy was, not to oppose philosophy, but to make supposed Christian thought a philosophy higher than that of the pagans. “On some points we teach the same things as the poets and philosophers whom you honour, and on other points are fuller and more divine in our teaching,” wrote Justin. Adorned with its new philosophical finery, “Christian” thought now claimed the dignity of old age. The apologists pointed out that Christian books were far older than those of the Greeks and that the prophets of the Bible lived earlier than Greek philosophers. Certain apologists even concluded that the philosophers copied from the prophets. Plato was made out to be a disciple of Moses!
This new strategy led to a mixture of Christianity and pagan philosophy. Comparisons were made between Greek gods and Bible characters. Jesus was compared to Perseus; and Mary’s conception to that of Perseus’ mother, Danaë, who was said to be also a virgin.
Certain teachings were greatly modified. For example, in the Bible, Jesus is called “the Logos,” meaning God’s “Word,” or Spokesman. (John 1:1-3, 14-18; Revelation 19:11-13) Very early on, this teaching was distorted by Justin, who like a philosopher played on the two possible meanings of the Greek word logos: “word” and “reason.” Christians, he said, received the word in the person of Christ himself. However, logos in the sense of reason is found in every man, including pagans. Thus, he concluded, those who live in harmony with reason are Christians, even those who claimed or were thought to be atheists, like Socrates and others.
Moreover, by forcing the tie between Jesus and the logos of Greek philosophy, which was closely linked with the person of God, the apologists, including Tertullian, embarked on a course that eventually led Christianity to the Trinity dogma. [For more information see: The Paradox of Tertullian]