Debunking Flat Earth and the Hollow Earth

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Lovely pic of the earth, btw

originally posted by: GBP/JPY

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: turbonium1

A plane must follow above the SURFACE of a sphere. And must descend to follow the 'descending' surface, which ALL spheres have..

Yes, however the planes length is too short compared to the circumference of the earth to make it matter.




such a simple reason shouldn't be so hard to understated.

Much of the world would probably look at it the same way, as you. Up to a year or so back, I would have seen it that way, too.

If Earth is really shaped like a sphere, it does not matter how massive it is, or how small, in comparison, the airplane flying above it is.....

A plane MUST fly a constant descent over a sphere. Only the rate of descent will vary.

You were told that a plane does not need to point its nose down in any flights, and that a plane is always making little adjustments in a flight, which accounts for curvature on flights.

And you were told that it was such a small rate of curvature, that it didn't matter.

I'm going to explain why it DOES matter, once again...for it IS very simple concept..

Everyone knows Earth is massive, in comparison to virtually any object - on, above, or below, the surface.

A small object has to descend, if flying above a sphere.It doesn't matter if the sphere is a 10 million times larger than any other sphere, it is a sphere, and to fly around it, requires a constant descent, no matter how slight the rate of descent.


As for Earth, the curvature you believe is so slight, it doesn't matter?

If you were on a plane for a 6 hour flight, nothing would ever matter more to you, than knowing if curvature really exists!

Because you would either be flying in a plane 1800 feet higher than the altimeter indicates, or in a plane that is measuring the correct altitude.

Slightly important, yes?

consider....it doesn't do that noticibly piloting a plane....we correct if flying with the altitude hold turned off......correct every two seconds.....same a bulldozer blade control or the submarine drivers.....

however i posted about gyros yesterday.......gyros should hold reference in space.....then inertia landing a pane on a spinning globe landing north south....vs landing east west.......then the inertia from a sun haulin azz towards the star Vega....opposite Serius, the dog star however ya spell Serios....Serious...oh Sirus

Thanks for the post, mate

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I always find the use of the word 'admit' very telling - they use it in the same way as 'confess', as if somehow someone forced NASA to admit that the photos are composites and that therefore they aren't real.

The reality is that NASA, and every other space agency, is quite happy to tell anyone how they took their photographs, and anyone with half a brain should realise that digital photos require a computer and software to process them. This does not mean that they have had anything altered.

when any flat earth proponent invokes a space agency as part of thier reasons // evidence against the spheroid model - its " game over " they have lost the plot

a reply to: ignorant_ape I'm beginning to suspect that the inconsistencies won't make a speck of difference. If this is a hologram like universe, or maya, as some of the ancients call it, it doesn't necessarily have to have the consistencies that you educated folks think it has to have. A quantum experience can be variable for each observer .

This argument truly belongs apart from the intellectual stance and might better be looked at from a metaphysical angle, or just accepted for what it is.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Many ISS shots of Earth on flicker show the curvature and they are taken using a full frame Nikon DSLR and lenses that are not fisheye another favourite subject of the flatties.

For example this one

View from ISS

Nikon D3S 50MM F1.4 lens set at f11 1/200th second iso 200

When did the flat earth # start?

yeh over 100 years ago , so why oh why havent any of the flat earth proponents sailed to the ice wall yet and told the world about their discovery!

Just sail there already and prove all of us globe earth, heliocentric theorists wrong !

a reply to: TerryDon79

Lol that dude must be a magician

fl erfers gonna flerf

Here's the link for anyone interested in the Genesis of the "modern" flat earth movement, which also happens to be the untold and very interesting part of the Bedford level experiment story.

Honestly, it surprises me every time a flat earther brings up the Bedford level experiment because it's a series of events which does not paint them in anything resembling a sympathetic light.

Good ole parallax and his fundie fun brigade...

a reply to: sapien82


Ah, but according to some FE's you are prevented by law from going there and there are special forces there that will kill anyone who tries. Apparently.

a reply to: Rollie83

That's pretty much exactly what I was saying. I have enough understanding of my actual knowledge level that I know when it's time to dig into my phone list to call old professors or other contacts I've gathered over the years that sit in a part of my phone list that is, no joke, labelled as the brain trust.

It's organized by category and education level (with a note in the contact about their favorite alcohol or other things) so I don't ask an electrical engineer about something mechanical etc.

I have a ton of fun exploring all sorts of projects and fields on my own and people are always happy to pick up the phone and answer my questions because I pay in good scotch and etc lol.

Right now I'm doing a solid 2 hours a day of math so that I can test into at least math 121 for fall or winter term so I can finally get my bachelor's in ME.

I kinda look at the flat earth threads and et cetera as part of my practice for being back in college.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Laser penguins... It's all about the laser penguins!

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Brilliant post, and is exactly the logical inconstancies which plague general conspiracies. Its the whole

"Scientists are wrong and don't know anything.... except this one guy who everyone should trust because I say so"

It is the same with Savvy's Anti-Gravity machine. "GR is wrong, and I can prove GR is wrong, by using the principles set out in GR" its like wait, you either think its wrong, or right... you cannot show its right to prove its wrong. You cannot make a statement, and when questioned about following the same logical train claim your 'alternative' model proves something that it doesn't (ref to pendulums and time stopping at the L1 point for example) Because it just shows that, if you cannot follow the logical conclusions of your own models correctly, then they are clearly quite wrong.

The NASA fake everything argument is also hilarious and speaks often more loudly about the Arrogance of Americans than anything else. While conspiracies exist about space all around the globe, it all too frequently comes down to Americans not trusting NASA, thus everything is fake. The only manipulation that occurs is that of colour balance as anyone who knows anything about cameras and astro-photography knows.

It can be argued similarly that using the same conspiracy non-sense that all digital photography is thus fake. So say goodbye to all of those dodgy 'apparent' UFO sightings on cell phones... because... they do the same fakery.

It is interesting how much cross over between UFO believers and 'NASA lies about everything' there is, and to those who also watch the ISS video feeds day in day out... its like, wait so you believe NASA's camera in this single instance? but not otherwise? seriously... makes no sense. Same for the Solar observers and people looking for UFOs orbiting the sun... again... if you don't trust the hardware in all other cases because you think something is being hidden... why would you trust a live stream from a different instrument.

Kind of like the hilarious TV clip when the ESA landed the Rosetta probe (crash landed) on the Comet. Some random guy says "Oh how much of my tax is being wasted on this" the reply given by the presenter being "Nothing, its a European project" The guy seemed genuinely confused, as if "Oh wait, other counties have space programs?"

a reply to: ErosA433

The problem is that they think it's all NASA because there's very open cooperation on certain things by everyone involved in space. It's the same thing with Antarctica.

They don't get somehow that the US government is not a monolithic hive mind where different parts of it can operate by totally different MO's, some of which are completely in conflict with or outright anathema to each other.

Space and Antarctica have pretty much always been places where the rules didn't fully apply, except when they did.

They have an obsessive desire for finality and absolute certainty, and see the ever changing and dynamic nature of science as an actual weakness. It comes down to this idea that anything which isn't 100% accurate and unchanging is useless.

For example, quantum eraser aka independent variable John who posts flat earth and YEC stuff all over outright says that scientific models are neither scientific nor useful because if they don't 100% fit with reality in all situations etc at all times they are useless because they don't match reality perfectly.

Shades of grey really freak some people out.

a reply to: oldcarpy

hahahah but of course!¬

funny how out of all those people not one of them is willing to risk their life to prove everyone else wrong!

originally posted by: roguetechie
a reply to: oldcarpy

Laser penguins... It's all about the laser penguins!

Laser penguins - indeed. Here is a short video:

Penguins v Laser Pointer

Enjoy!

originally posted by: sapien82
When did the flat earth # start?

yeh over 100 years ago , so why oh why havent any of the flat earth proponents sailed to the ice wall yet and told the world about their discovery!

Just sail there already and prove all of us globe earth, heliocentric theorists wrong !

The ice wall is no mystery. There have been those that have attempted to enter beyond the ice wall and nobody has had much luck. Look into Lord Shackleton and the Endurance, for one. Of course, this would have been done with the understanding that the ice wall is Antartica rather than an ice wall keeping the loonies in.

Now, if someone were to try that, they would either be arrested or escorted away from there. Doesn't that make anyone here suspicious, at least? Why in the world is the Antarctica treaty the only one that countries agree with? Why is Antarctica the only landmass we are not raping and pillaging. Corporations control this planet (sort of), and we know they could find all kinds of goodies to make money off of. Why no change in legislation where lots of money could be made? It's happened everywhere else. The only place that we are going to be universally altruistic and honorable is Antarctica, to the point where anyone wanting to explore is removed,unless you go to their designated areas. If anyone on this thread buys that bull at face value, they are programmed beyond redemption.

I am not saying this is proof of a flat earth, but it is very indicative of a major deception.

a reply to: pointessa

You do know that the continent of Antarctica is resting under at least 2.16KM thick on average , getting resources out of there is pretty difficult !

not only that , is that its the source of all our ice/fresh water on the planet

tampering with that very fragile ecosystem could have disasterous consequences not only to the world at large but also to the habitats there !

there are species of animals there to be found no where else on earth!

that is why we leave it be! # with the poles and millions die!

I dont believe for a second that you'd get turned back , my cousin was invited to work in Antarctica as a airfield medical personal for a year
so its not like the public cant go!

a reply to: pointessa


Do you have a shred of evidence to back any of your claims up?

Did you know that there are numerous companies specialising in holidays in Antarctica? Like this one:

Amazing Antarctica Holidays

a reply to: pointessa

You really need to look up the saga of the yacht berserk...

If you go down that rabbit hole you'll find that a whole bunch of the impressions you have and things you think you know about Antarctica aren't actually right. (And even maybe learn why people in government might be inclined to make things sound one way when they're really not that way if you're ok at reading between the lines).

I'm not saying Antarctica isn't mysterious and that there probably isn't stuff going on down there, just that it's got nothing to do with an ice wall or a flat earth. (I'll be honest and say flat out that I think the ice Nazis thing might have had or have some truth to it)

One thing that always gets me about Antarctica is that they only decided to make it an ice covered continent sized nature preserve AFTER they nuked the holy living F*** out of one part of it... THAT, to me, is interesting. I mean, when you have every single nuclear power in existence at the time bring at least one nuke down and then bang them off one after another, what's that about lol?

But we can be really sure about the whole ice wall idea not being right because the Earth is spherical...

Another really good question I'd love an answer to one day is, how the hell did the Turkish Admiralty circa 1516 or so get ahold of a map that shows what Antarctica actually looks like under the ice? (Piri Reis map)

THAT... Is an INTERESTING QUESTION!

Whether Antarctica is really the ice wall... Not interesting at all. Earth is a sphere!

P.s. For anyone who wonders how the hell I could possibly believe that the ice Nazis hypothesis possibly has some weight, I don't have as much information as I'd like but I think there's enough weird stuff to definitely make a case for at least an attempt having been made by the Nazis to gain a toehold down there. As well as a case for people knowing that they had done it and doing their absolute best to make sure it didn't succeed.