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Donald Trump Says, 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: carpooler



Trump repealed an Obama era E.O. which would have taken firearms away from elderly people who accepted health professionals to manage their finances.
No.

1) It was not an EO, it was a rule from the Social Security Administration.

2) It did not take firearms away from "elderly people who accepted health professionals to manage their finances." What it did do was provide information to NICS about people who were receiving disability payments due to mental health determinations, and who were receiving those payments through someone other than themselves.


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has clarified through regulations that this prohibition covers individuals who have been determined by a court, board, commission or other lawful authority as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition or disease to be a danger to himself or to others, or who lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.[4]

www.federalregister.gov...




posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: projectvxn

Due process requires neither jury nor trial.


You're confused.

In order to take the rights of an individual in this country, a person must be charged with a crime, tried, and found guilty of that crime.
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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Does that mean that someone who has been legally determined to be mentally ill but has committed no crime must be allowed to purchase a gun?


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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: kaylaluv

So your for lowering the age then. That way that sixteen year old is covered, gotcha.



Nope. Saying an 18 year old can wait just like a 16 year old can wait.
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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:08 PM
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Why is it when Trumps speaks 99% utter bollocks all you Trump voters back him to the hilt. Yet when he threatens to do the right thing and take away the military style pew pews, not all of your pew pews, just the ones you pose with in front of the mirror, The ones that make you all feel like a ex special forces/operator, you all get your collective drawers in a bunch. ?

Ever get the feeling you've been had. You were warned.

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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:13 PM
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Donald Trump Says, 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

He sure did.

Shame people weren't this outraged because denial of due process, and gun taking began in 1934, and continued up in to this day.

With the biggest denial of due process came in 1998 when the background check system was implemented.

Where you would be compelled to be witness against yourself every time you buy a firearm, and ATF form 4473 was to be filled out.

You can hate Trump all you want, but where has that hate been at for the last seven decades?



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Not true. In 4 states and 18 pending all it takes is a warrant to remove your guns if you seem to be acting in a manner where you could hurt yourself or others.

If you are convicted of a felony or domestic abuse in some states you have to turn in your guns.

What he is saying is already happening....



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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Right on the heels of all Leftists claiming he was irreversibly a hate filled nazi who loves guns and walls.

Yeah, you guys tried to tell us he was really a progressive!



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Butterfinger




Yeah, you guys tried to tell us he was really a progressive!


I think Trump just screwed up the God Father.

Take the guns and leave the cannoli.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Imagine if Obama ever said that?



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: theantediluvian

Imagine if Obama ever said that?


I'm not okay with any president saying it.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: theantediluvian

Imagine if Obama ever said that?


Why?

Obama wouldn't give the Republicans everything they've ever wanted.

Trump gave the Democrats EVERYTHING they've wanted since 2004.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: kaylaluv

So your for lowering the age then. That way that sixteen year old is covered, gotcha.




Nope. Saying an 18 year old can wait just like a 16 year old can wait.


Yet an adult would have to wait until their 21....

Makes sense


Because of several unstable individuals, the rest of the adult citizenry is made to be walking gun free zones for three years...

Again, makes perfect sense..



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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What are they going to do about the military?

Change it to 21?

Cause they were sending 18 year olds off to war with machine guns,rocket launchers,grendades and tanks.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Do soldiers have to purchase their own weapons?

21 to purchase a gun.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Do you seriously think that is a legitimate argument to make?

The military GIVES that stuff to fight those idiots wars.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:50 PM
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I thought that was the point you were making.

What are they going to do about the military?

Change it to 21?


There is no proposal that I know of that would prohibit someone using a gun unless they are 21.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Phage

There was.

Trump and the rest of those morons said it.

And it's 17 WITH parental consent.

Can't buy one.

Just join the military and they'll loan machine guns out for a spell.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: neo96




There was.
Trump and the rest of those morons said it.

I thought the moron was talking about purchasing guns, not using them.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Don't matter.

The GOP said that's a big NO already.

thehill.com...


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