originally posted by: Lysergic
originally posted by: FHomerK
a reply to: JBurns
Remember, your new jail spouses like it when you squeek as you bite your pillow.
I see you speak from experience Homer.
Surprised you don't have your own brand of prostate cushions.
My grandfather's name was Homer.... and, so of course was it the name of a great greek writer.
Some people like spaghetti, some do not. This was how a boss of mine at a dinner theatre explained homosexuality to me when I was sixteen, as it was
a homosexually super saturated environment. Combine restaurants and theatre, and if you have a difficult time with anything alternative in this world
you'd better not work in a dinner theatre. He was gay, and was amazingly eloquent and sensitive in addressing any questions I or the other young
people had who worked there.
"I went to his parties as a straight minority, it only introduced me to a wider reality".....
My reference to a jail "romance" is not one of homophobia, it was one of speaking to the idea that there would be experiences forced on you.
Experiences that choices led you to, because of choices you had previously made.
My mother was a staunchly conservative anti illegal immigrant person. Until, late in life, she moved to damned near the southern tip of Texas.
There, she met good people. Good people from Mexico and elsewhere. And, of course, she met good people who were here illegally. It changed her
views almost 180 degrees. I respect that.
However.... life is all about choices. When you decide to drink coffee in the morning, chances are you'll be far more alert than if you had not and
are that much less likely to cause a car accident. When you choose to come into a country illegally, as a rational and thinking individual with the
power to make their own choices, you do so knowing full well that you are breaking their laws.
I've mentioned this previously, and of course people cried boo-hoo at the notion, but I have a VERY close tie to all of this in the form of personal
experience. As the father of an EU citizen, I have ZERO rights with regards to trying to immigrate to the UK and be an active part of my child's
life. I was faced with a decision. Do I try to immigrate legally? Well, the UK has it's full of us Americans. The only way to walk into the UK and
become a citizen (unless you're wealthy and intend to take your wealth there such as half of Hollywood, think Madonna) is to do so if you happened to
have won the immigration lottery. I had to weigh my options. Should I go illegally? What would that say to my daughter? What quality of life would
I have, and how would it impact her life?
When it comes to anchor babies and DACA, I feel nothing but the shared pain of a parent who is due to be separated from their children. But we all
have choices to make, and as adults we've learned, choices have consequences.
I don't want anyone treated unfairly. I don't want lives ruined. I don't want parents separated from children and vice versa. BUT..... every single
damned country in the world has rules about immigration. Violate those laws, and guess what. You are now a criminal. Are some criminals less
criminal than others in their actions? Did their actions have good intentions behind them? YES.... but as someone used to tell me routinely, the
road to hell is paved with good intentions. I could care less of heaven and hell, as I am not religious. But, I feel that is more of a morality tale
realistically speaking than a a biblical lesson.
Now, rules and laws. As a child, I was taught when you were at a friends house, you obeyed THEIR rules. Don't like them? Don't go over to your
friends house. Pure and simple. Those here illegally are disrespecting the rules that we have created. And what is happening as a result?
Emergency rooms flooded for primary care, that then get stiffed on the price of treatment. A vast amount of monies earned do NOT go back into the
economy, instead sent back to their "home" country. Some people turn to illegal crimes once they come here. They're here illegally, why not. Is
this everyone? NO. There are GOOD people here... illegally. Just not all of them. Also, what about introducing illnesses to our society?
Illnesses we have taken care of if not eliminated from our culture, and yet someone with 100% good intentions violated our laws, lived outside our
system's infrastructure, and spreads sickness unwillingly.
Are all illegal immigrants disease ridden, criminally minded, destroyers of our economy? NO.
But, in life..... if a friend wishes you remove your shoes upon entering the house..... are the consequences of disrespecting that person's own
And, I'll ask you this.... people like the Mayor of SF..... what is the likelyhood of their actions being 100% altruistic ?
I'm sorry. Don't like the law? Then work to change it within. Is it going to go 100% your way? Unlikely. Will compromises need to be made?
Don't like your situation in your home country? Then you need to work within to change things there. Moving here, or anywhere illegally, really only
opens the individual up to greater penalties and does precious little to build a sound foundation to build on for yourself, or loved ones there with
you. Breaking those laws, and the consequences of doing so, also impacts far more than yourself. It impacts the people you love and care about, and
the people who's laws you broke.
I am not a cruel, heartless person. I simply cannot see things for anything other than what they are.
Illegal immigrants do not help the situation (for themselves or others), they hurt the situation. And it also means that it will ONLY make legal
immigration harder for those that choose the legitimate road to obtaining citizenship.
I made my own personal choices. Those who broke laws did too. As well as those who broke laws by way of helping others to break laws.
This, is the reality of the situation.