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originally posted by: Ansuzrune
a reply to: kaylaluv
Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. Wanted to get rid of blacks and Jews. And you of all people attach yourself to that. Shame on you.
The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct, Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient.
originally posted by: Gibbled
a reply to: JBurns
I don't usually respond to these threads at all, but overnight shifts are long and boring as hell, so sorry if this is a bit ranty.
First off, some people have made some excellent rebuttals, such as the strain on foster care/ adoption agencies, but no one has mentioned extenuating circumstances. What about people who are raped, they should have to go through with having that baby? Raise it with that constant reminder of what happened to them? I'm sure that's a great way to get a generation of well adjusted kids out there. What about young (I'm talking 13-14 y/o) teenagers who don't understand how sex works yet, because people like you won't teach them proper sex ed? They should ruin their lives because of that?
Now what about the people who were 100% responsible, and despite all odds got pregnant anyways? My wife and I recently found out we are having twins, which was a complete shock for us, because my wife had an IUD inserted. We literally could not have been more careful other than surgery, which isn't ideal if you still want kids in the future. For the record, we kept the babies. But in a situation like that, where the odds of conceiving were less than 0.6%, practically the safest you could possibly be, how can you fault those people for not wanting to potentially ruin their lives? They did all they could have possibly done. We tried to plan it all and, call it god or fate, something looked at those plans and noped them pretty good. Can you really blame someone for trying to take back control of their own life, especially when they were already doing all they could to prevent it?
Now things start to get a bit murky here and I'm absolutely not a proponent of this myself, but picture yourself, in a point in your life where you are ready to start a family. You go get some routine prenatal tests done, and they find out the baby will be extremely unwell. IQ below the 70s. Will never learn to speak or interact with the world. Screaming from being in constant pain. Not able to control their own body due to sometimes painful twitches and spasms. Knowing they will likely die young anyways. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy... Is it really the moral thing to do to have that baby? Playing devils advocate here, we skipped these test during our pregnancy, and I work in mental health so I am NOT advocating eugenics here. Just pointing out that it's not always as black and white as you seem to think. It's not a discussion that most people take lightly, and it would probably bring you far in life to toss out the view of "socialists" you seem to have of them just frothing at the mouth to kill babies with confiscated guns or something. The world is never that black and white.
Also, it was my understanding that in western society, we have something called "separation of church and state". Pence has no right to use his religious views as a basis for changing laws. None whatsoever. Which, as others have said, is why we should stop having this discussion. It's moot.