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Pence: Legal [child murder] will end with this generation

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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: neo96

So all the women who have had abortions are child murderers, then right??


Well yeah.

Going by the gun control standard.

Guilty until proven innocent.




posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: introvert

They do not view it as murder either.. it is a big joke..

If you thought your neighbor was gonna murder his kid tomorrow at 8am . You kick in the door and stop him. You do not go on a conspiracy site and complain. You take action.


They do too..

“They are murdering babies, but I’m still friends with all the women who have had abortions in my personal life..”

lol it is laughable.



It's a political and religious button that is easily pushed and people are easily triggered by.

There is a running joke in my local area due to there being a very large catholic high school in the area and the reputation of the kids.

They say if you want to learn why abortion is bad, go to catholic school/church.

If you want to fund a Planned Parenthood, build it next to the Catholic high school.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

But that would work..

Why do something that works when instead you can call your political opponents babykillers???



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

All of it.

Yeah Your twisting it.

The 14 th is how that post began.



That is what you said, correct? How am I twisting anything when I quoted exactly what you posted?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: neo96

What needs to be proven??

If it is murder. Then every single woman who has ever had an abortion is a child murderer..

Where I come from we put child murderers in a concrete box for life or execute them..



Conservatives logic is laughable
edit on 28-2-2018 by JoshuaCox because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: notsure1

But that would work..

Why do something that works when instead you can call your political opponents babykillers???


Nobody really cares about the babies. In this climate being right is all that matters.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: introvert

You damn well know what I said, and you know damn well it's not what I said.

THIS is.





The 14th amendment is how.

IF a woman has the right to get an abortion.

We have the right to own a firearm of our choosing.

That is how equality works.



WHY did you intentionally leave off the beginning and end?

WHY?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

It’s not even being right.. it is attacking your opponent.. the logic is too bad for people to personally believe they are right..



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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I would like to ask the conservatives a couple questions...

why do you cling to your gun rights? is it that you wish to be able to defend yourself and your family from perceived threats? is it that you wish to protect your possessions? is it to protect your way of life?? your liberty?

why are yous so pro-military expansion? why do you support more money for our war machine? why are so prone to cry for war with whatever country that you see as posing a threat? why do you think that dropping bombs on innocent women and children in lands so far away is justifiable...
is it for the same reason as you would give to my first question??

is it a matter of self defense?

well, let's look at women who find themselves pregnant.

they may see it as a risk to their liberty, and rightly so since the bulk of the care of the children usually falls onto the shoulders of the mother.
they may see it as a risk of their possessions and way of life, and rightfully so since once they become a mother, their earning potential is drastically reduced.
and, they just may see it as a risk to their health or life, and rightfully so since pregnancy can and often do lead to serious medical complications.

it's also a matter of self defense.

our quest for nuclear weapons, our war in viet nam, our wars in Iraq, they all have one thing in common. not only did they cause the horrible deaths of so many children at the time, but also severely compromised the genetic integrity of the survivors in those countries, condemning future generations horrible defects.
but, oh, it was all a matter of self defense!! how many of yas are eager to add north korea to that list?

you are condemning women for doing something on a small scale that you are perfectly willing to do on a massive scale. kill an innocent to protect yourself!



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

You damn well know what I said, and you know damn well it's not what I said.

THIS is.





The 14th amendment is how.

IF a woman has the right to get an abortion.

We have the right to own a firearm of our choosing.

That is how equality works.



WHY did you intentionally leave off the beginning and end?

WHY?


It doesn't matter what you begin or end with.

You can invoke the 14th amendment and talk about equality all you want and it still does not change the fact that one right is not dependent upon the other. We have those rights regardless of the status of the other.

It's a rather silly assertion.
edit on 28-2-2018 by introvert because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: introvert




You can invoke the 14th amendment and talk about equality all you want and it still does not change the fact that one is not dependent upon the other.


Something that only your saying

Odd.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: neo96

So all the women who have had abortions are child murderers, then right??


Yes they are all cold blooded killers and should get the death penalty. sarc.

Medically abortion is considered ending an unwanted pregnancy not killing a baby since it's only a collection of cells at that point.

Bible thumping little dictator gun nuts what fun.

Contraceptives prevent pregnancy and stop babies being born so are they also killing babies?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

What is the difference between abortion and murder?

Time.

Fred..



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
a reply to: JBurns

What is the difference between abortion and murder?

Time.

Fred..



What's the difference between killing in self-defense and murder?

What's the difference between the death penalty and murder?

What's the difference between killing during war and murder?

Ending a llife is ending a life, but our society views it as a necessary evil sometimes.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
I would like to ask the conservatives a couple questions...

why do you cling to your gun rights? is it that you wish to be able to defend yourself and your family from perceived threats? is it that you wish to protect your possessions? is it to protect your way of life?? your liberty?

why are yous so pro-military expansion? why do you support more money for our war machine? why are so prone to cry for war with whatever country that you see as posing a threat? why do you think that dropping bombs on innocent women and children in lands so far away is justifiable...
is it for the same reason as you would give to my first question??

is it a matter of self defense?

well, let's look at women who find themselves pregnant.

they may see it as a risk to their liberty, and rightly so since the bulk of the care of the children usually falls onto the shoulders of the mother.
they may see it as a risk of their possessions and way of life, and rightfully so since once they become a mother, their earning potential is drastically reduced.
and, they just may see it as a risk to their health or life, and rightfully so since pregnancy can and often do lead to serious medical complications.

it's also a matter of self defense.

our quest for nuclear weapons, our war in viet nam, our wars in Iraq, they all have one thing in common. not only did they cause the horrible deaths of so many children at the time, but also severely compromised the genetic integrity of the survivors in those countries, condemning future generations horrible defects.
but, oh, it was all a matter of self defense!! how many of yas are eager to add north korea to that list?

you are condemning women for doing something on a small scale that you are perfectly willing to do on a massive scale. kill an innocent to protect yourself!






So many false equivalencies, I wish I was on a PC to respond appropriately...but I will in short.

..also I'm libertarian...

Guns are for protection and are a right, period, end of story.

Citizens generally don't want war. More money for the military is closely related to own a gun, for protection. We should not use it for greed etc. But politicians on both sides want war, they may say they don't, but both sides do. They argue about HOW. Just like they argue how to take your rights, fast, or slowly...for another time...

Women who got pregnant by accident.. how did that happen I wonder? It's called responsibility. Now, if you cannot support the kid, put it up for adoption (my wife and I were just approved to until she got pregnant).

Saying it is murder is harsh, but true. I think abortion should be legal for only rape victims and when the mother is at risk for health. There may be something else there I am missing... But I think conservatives don't want people willy nilly killing babies.

There, I tried. There were other things in your post I want to respond to but my break is over.

Hope that helps



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
Vice President Mike Pence has (likely correctly) predicted this generation will be the one that restores life to America. No longer should we tolerate the socialist's sickening murder of unborn children, especially at a time they falsely claim to care so much about them.

Although their gun control infringement is of course going to fail (if not simply because Trump won't sign), it is time to start persuing all issues cloes to the left. If it is a socialist pet issue, it is bad for this country. Period.

thehill.com...

Guess they just should've left the Constitution alone. I posit that because socialism is a clear mental disorder (with plenty of fatalities over the years), these individuals have no right to make their own decisions because they aren't mentally competent. No one in anything but the right state of mind should be able to make such a major decision, and anyone who would want to kill an unborn child is clearly unstable/incompetent. (Wasn't that their argument on assault clipazines, or something?)

This is perfectly compatible with Roe vs. Wade. And remember folks, abortion was designed to KILL unborn children

The abomination will end. JUNIOR senator Krestin Jellybrand offered a half-a## rebuttal (in her typically worthless fashion) urging socialist killers to hit the polls in November. And it's important we respond in kind. Any person not voting in both the midterms and 2020 general is handing a small piece of victory to the socialist usurpers.


The Internal Security Act of 1950, 64 Stat. 987 (Public Law 81-831), also known as the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950 or the McCarran Act

The Act required Communist organizations to register with the United States Attorney General and established the Subversive Activities Control Board to investigate persons suspected of engaging in subversive activities or otherwise promoting the establishment of a "totalitarian dictatorship," either fascist or communist. Members of these groups could not become citizens and in some cases were prevented from entering or leaving the country. Citizens found in violation could lose their citizenship in five years. The Act also contained an emergency detention statute, giving the President the authority to apprehend and detain "each person as to whom there is a reasonable ground to believe that such person probably will engage in, or probably will conspire with others to engage in, acts of espionage or sabotage."

It tightened alien exclusion and deportation laws and allowed for the detention of dangerous, disloyal, or subversive persons in times of war or "internal security emergency".


This law is still on the books.


What about rape?

You expect rape victims to have to go through the trauma of carrying rape babies to term?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: Reydelsol

Just to be clear, you are for punishing the children for the crimes of the parent.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Reydelsol

How about common sense abortion...

See my post above yours. I agree with you on this.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
Has anyone got any ideas to help reduce abortions? Come on neo what would you bring in or are you just about guns and demonising women?.


Refugees: "if you liberals care, you'd house, feed, and shelter them!"

Muslims: "if peaceful Muslims exist, why don't they speak out against peaceful Muslims!"

Abortion: "if you liberals care, you'd adopt children into your own home!"

Cannabis: "it should be illegal, it's dangerous and addictive"

Video games: "we should restrict what these kids are seeing, it's too violent!"

Conservative logic isn't logic, it's emotion. That's why they so often project "libtards operate in emotion, we operate in fact."

ATS is an echo chamber, hence the use of "haters," around the board. I genuinely feel bad for those who spend day after day going in circles for... whatever reasons, discussing the same topics, with the same people, with the same outcomes.

I'm a registered Republican, and I remember when people considered Ron Paul "too extreme," or "too fringe," yet now these same people defend the "rights,"' of Nazism whilst boycotting and going full SJW of everything that offends them.

Politics used to be in many different products, books, movies, video games... now? Now it's really not, and it's because people can't handle it.

I remember playing KOTOR and it was heavily political.... even Skyrim is political, and essentially predicted the 2016 elections (I may elaborate on this with a thread at some point). Deus Ex was heavily political, Metal Gear and MGS were political. Animal Farm, 1984, Brave New World... all political.

People pretend as if they're having "politics shoved down their throats," which is telling. The cult-like mentality displayed regularly here on ATS doesn't exist anywhere else (minus the obvious right-wing forums/blogs, but that's to be expected).

There's really no point in trying to discuss any sort of opposing viewpoint, it's so quickly shot down and dismissed on ATS.

One last thing.... how have all of those "bombshells," panned out in regards to Obama, Clinton, etc etc Are they still wearing ankle moniters? Is Q about to drop the truth, but for real this time? Is the deep state on its knees... for almost a year now?

It's easier to fool people than to convince them they're being fooled. People are making cash over fist from the useful idiots that subscribe to the "Trump is going to destroy the deep state," narrative. I could be wrong, but it's brazenly clear that nothing is going to be done, and that Trump has conned the American people.

And Q? Perfect execution as to control your mark.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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Mike Pence here.

What questions do you have for me today




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