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NRA launches effort to defeat socialism

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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot




Property rights can and do exist in socialist countries.


I assumed you had a socialist country in mind when you said this. Care to share?




posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Whataboutisms. The fact, that I mentioned our loss of individual privacy rights in this Brave Neocon Oligarchy is nothing but a whataboutism? We wanna roll it back and you seem to agree. How's that for starters?

Did you ever bother to look into the more european laws of Norway, Switzerland or Germany? Do you even know how we try to protect individual rights?
Our gubbermints must be stealing from the people, which isn't entirely wrong given the corruption involved. But you pay taxes as well, right? So, tell me...is this Game of Taxation just a strawman?

Screaming for cookies, eh? So I'm going to do the research for you now? Well. Another evil idea comes to mind... how about you NRAdnecks losing this glorious fight due to your beloved prejudices? I'm just the Kraut grooming for my Antifa buddys in the States.
Go! Gadget, Go!


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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Aah, the Germans. Is still illegal to criticize foreign leaders there? Or maybe your anti-Trumpism is a sign that your country is finally growing a pair.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Whataboutisms. The fact, that I mentioned our loss of individual privacy rights in this Brave Neocon Oligarchy is nothing but a whataboutism? We wanna roll it back and you seem to agree. How's that for starters?


No. The fact that we were talking about topic A, and you said "whatabout topic B" makes it a whataboutism.

Im all for discussing the abomination known as The Patriot Act. In a thread where its topical.




Did you ever bother to look into the more european laws of Norway, Switzerland or Germany? Do you even know how we try to protect individual rights?
Our gubbermints must be stealing from the people, which isn't entirely wrong given the corruption involved. But you pay taxes as well, right? So, tell me...is this Game of Taxation just a strawman?


Yes. I've looked into it. Im not an expert on it, but I know more about it than most Americans.

If i wanted European laws, I'd move to Europe. As it stands, America fought a war so we could make our own bad decisions independant of Europe.

Im not here to tell you that what we do in the US is "right", because it isn't. The entire world has become far, far, far too socialist for my liking.



Screaming for cookies, eh? So I'm going to do the research for you now? Well. Another evil idea comes to mind... how about you NRAdnecks losing this glorious fight due to your beloved prejudices? I'm just the Kraut grooming for my Antifa buddys in the States.
Go! Gadget, Go!


I have no idea what you are talkinga bout here.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think he's getting at property rights and has Chinas socialism in mind, which is a disgrace to every more decent socialist who values privacy.

It's a good question to ponder and I could imagine a few things to protect individual rights. Reform all our western secret services to prevent the Stasi crap from metastasizing and put the War on Terror to an end, that would be a start.


Property rights seems the obvious one but even then most forms of socialism still have a high degree of property rights. It's only really at full communism that property rights really cease to exist in a meaningful way.
NO .... socialism destroys personal property rights and replaces with the rights of the collective. Please read my post on the Founding Fathers and Adam Smith. I do agree with the other poster on the whole Stasi thing but one must remember all of that is cut from the same leftist/ socialist/ communist cloth regardless of the thought of many. I always have to say that Antony Sutton explains it better than anyone and Jonah Goldberg after that.


Depends on what you mean by socialist. Most socialist countries have retained private property rights.

Sorry what page was you post on Adam Smith on, would like to read it?
How about if we use Karl Marx definition of "bourgeois" property. Let's be clear...bourgeois in France meant merchants or business owners not royalty necessarily even though the socialists in the French Revolution hated the Royals because they were privileged and they felt it was unjust. However socialist do not have a problem today with redistributing other common workers paychecks because sacrificing personal property for the common good is the clarion call of socialism. It is particularly fine when they can claw on the earnings of business owners corporations and especially the super wealthy. Remember Obama said famously " you didn't build that" which reveals his worldview that everything is collectively done and equally shared to be just. That is socialism when government can confiscate your hard earned income for whatever the State deems important. Please don't be fooled by claims that the Nazi Party was right Wing... they were still socialist but a bit tontgevright of the far left communists. Remember Communist Russia was just as nationalistic as Germany.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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I have no idea how and why this Brave Neoconberal Oligarchy has allegedly become socialist. I think we have a definition problem here. All this exclusion and a clear tendency to a financial facism isn't even close. Nor was bailing out banks or waging wars for profits. Or was it?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Fair enough. We have an ottoman_ish goat-problem at hand, and our fcking angle of a Minister Gabriel just made a deal with Erdogain to have a journalist back in freedom (while claiming the opposite). How's that for individual rights?
We try to honor them once it fits our MICes, what's new with you?




posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus




Please don't be fooled by claims that the Nazi Party was right Wing


Fascinating.

And then let's ignore what the allegedly social lefty NSDAP did to the worker unions. Err... right. Right?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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For those who still think any sort of "buy back" is a real option


The city of Seattle has experimented with Gun Buy Back Programs since the early 1990s. Seattle's 1992 gun buyback was initiated in response to a string of shootings in a local neighborhood. The buyback program was watched with great interest given the local demographic and the generally positive public support for the buyback from residents of Seattle and the surrounding area. A public health survey titled "Money for Guns" was conducted and while it concluded that no statistically significant result was produced on Seattle's gun crime or gun death ratio, the report maintained that a larger buyback program would be sure to yield positive results.

Over 20 years later Seattle would again make headline for its bold gun buyback program in 2013, but perhaps not for the reasons the programs sponsors and organizers would have liked. While the program could be considered a success, collecting more than 700 guns, handing out almost $70,000 in gift cards and even netting a Stinger missile launcher tube (minus the missile), the program also had a widely unanticipated effect from the local gun buying community.

Hundreds of gun buyers showed up to the event seeking to offer cash for valuable antiques or functioning second hand firearms. The lack of any need for background check in transactions involving private firearms sales turned the city sponsored event into an open air gun bazaar.

Since then Seattle has not suffered alone in its gun buyback program woes, with other cities experiencing similar problems, whether it be private sales or local gun owners taking advantage of lucrative gift card offers to unload rusted or non-functioning firearms onto the police.


As you see, when you give the highly innovative and intelligent firearms community lemons, we will always make lemonade. Make us pay $20,000 for machine guns? We invent $150.00 bump stocks or use our belt loop/a rubberband. Gun buy backs? Sure, we show up and buy them first or we bring our unwanted rusted junk and make hundreds in profits off misguided anti-gunners.

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 05:49 PM
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Sounds like a good start ... What's the best way to fight against anti-gun lefty nuts ? Doubling down! Pro-active support to restore the 2nd amendment to it's original state!



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: Flanker86
Or, as our president wants to do. Start with doing away with the 4th amendment.

“The police saw that he was a problem, they didn’t take any guns away,” Trump said. “Now that could have been policing, but they should have taken them away anyway, whether they had the right or not.”



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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

What are you talking about? It looks like youve erected a strawman here. Can you elaborate?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I have no idea how and why this Brave Neoconberal Oligarchy has allegedly become socialist. I think we have a definition problem here. All this exclusion and a clear tendency to a financial facism isn't even close. Nor was bailing out banks or waging wars for profits. Or was it?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Fair enough. We have an ottoman_ish goat-problem at hand, and our fcking angle of a Minister Gabriel just made a deal with Erdogain to have a journalist back in freedom (while claiming the opposite). How's that for individual rights?
We try to honor them once it fits our MICes, what's new with you?


We have a mixed economy. Look it up. Yes there are socialist elements and also the abuse of capitalism with elements of monopolistic competition oligarchy and Keynesian expansionist policy plus a dose of bankster manipulation and inflation due to the excessive printing of money by the Federal Reserve.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Whataboutisms. The fact, that I mentioned our loss of individual privacy rights in this Brave Neocon Oligarchy is nothing but a whataboutism? We wanna roll it back and you seem to agree. How's that for starters?

Did you ever bother to look into the more european laws of Norway, Switzerland or Germany? Do you even know how we try to protect individual rights?
Our gubbermints must be stealing from the people, which isn't entirely wrong given the corruption involved. But you pay taxes as well, right? So, tell me...is this Game of Taxation just a strawman?

Screaming for cookies, eh? So I'm going to do the research for you now? Well. Another evil idea comes to mind... how about you NRAdnecks losing this glorious fight due to your beloved prejudices? I'm just the Kraut grooming for my Antifa buddys in the States.
Go! Gadget, Go!

We actually have a higher corporate tax rate than most other countries so watch what you imply or say about other countries younthibk are so socialist. Only Cuba and Venezuela are pure socialist to my knowledge or very few others but not Norway.
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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

And that's a cop-out. Let's try a more detailed line of inquiry for arguments sake, shall we?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus



Only Cuba and Venezuela are pure socialist to my knowledge or very few others but not Norway.


Good point. But they aint part of the weird OP, are they?

Do you need a meme for the actual wealth distribution on your side of the pond, or is it too warm and fuzzy in Lalaland right now? I mean... it's already way too bad here.
Humanity deserves better than this lowest type of chickensh!t.
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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Sounds like the same thing dems are pushing for.


New York Senate Republicans face new pressure to back a bill that would let judges confiscate weapons from dangerous individuals after several Democrats who share power with the GOP signed on as co-sponsors.

The so-called “red flag” law would let guns be seized from people deemed dangerous by their own relatives or law enforcement.


Speaking one’s mind is one thing. Pressuring it into law is quite another.

NY post
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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus



Only Cuba and Venezuela are pure socialist to my knowledge or very few others but not Norway.


Good point. But they aint part of the weird OP, are they?

Do you need a meme for the actual wealth distribution on your side of the pond, or is it too warm and fuzzy in Lalaland right now? I mean... it's already way too bad here.
Humanity deserves better than this lowest type of chickensh!t.
you are quite the sarcastic one aren't you. This is a conspiracy website so maybe it's time for you to brush up on your conspiracy theories. First let me explain about Hegelian dialectical reasoning which was imported by some people over at Yale University. Prof Antony Sutton studied this whole thing when he wrote his book on The Order called "America's Secret Establishment". Pres Bush Jr and John Kerry are both members of the elite secret Society of the Order of Skull and Bones. He explains that these elites use Hegelian Dialectics in their agenda of "managed conflict" of using two seemingly opposing groups or ideologies and producing a synthesis through the conflict "which is neither right nor left". So now in this process we find this happening where everyone is arguing left this and right that but the synthesis is the NWO Prof Sutton tells us. Are you following? When you understand that you will understand that politicians on both the left and right are mainly playing on the same team but appear as opposites. Now if you want to make comments about being on the other side of the pond go ahead but the elites are worldwide. By the way isn't it Aussies who usually use that term "across the pond"?
We can discuss more when I'm not on my smartphone If you like.
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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Quite different, I think. See the part about "judges?" That's talking about a court order, a restraining order. That involves due process.
Trump doesn't like due process.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second

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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Quite different, I think. See the part about "judges?" That's talking about a court order, a restraining order. That involves due process.
Trump doesn't like due process.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second


Not really.

“The laws allow weapons to be seized for a brief time — typically two or three weeks — after which a petitioner, usually a police agency, must go back to court to let a judge decide whether the gun owner’s behavior amounts to a threat to himself or others and whether the weapons should be held longer.”

NYTimes

Sounds like Take the guns first, go through due process second
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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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Yes, really.

Gun violence protective order laws, also known as gun violence restraining orders and extreme risk protection orders, allow families and household members, as well as law enforcement officers, to petition a court to remove a person’s access to guns if he or she poses an imminent danger to self or others.

lawcenter.giffords.org...

Court order. Due process.

What you quoted is talking about extending an existing order. See where it says "back to court?"


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