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NRA launches effort to defeat socialism

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posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Is capitalism? They're both economic philosophies. That's not really the purview of the Constitution.




posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant




But anyone who supports or benefits from a 40 hour work week, overtime pay, employees being able to buy shares in the companies they work for, worker's compensation, unemployment benefits, employee profit sharing, and Social Security literally supports socialism in action. And if I had to guess, that includes plenty of people who work at gun manufacturers. Hence why this whole idea is stupid.


Complete nonsense. These were conceived in countries with free markets, and none of them require worker ownership of the means of production.


Would you agree then that the politicians named in the OP aren't actually supporting Socalism then?



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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Whatever happened to Antifa and BLM?

Everyday, folks on the far right scare themselves by the boogeyman they create... then rally behind a sense of tribalism in that a battle is coming.

Identity politics, people.

It's dangerous.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot




Would you agree then that the politicians named in the OP aren't actually supporting Socalism then?


I'm not aware of their political advocacy. In the US, socialist can mean anything from socialist to multi-culti, welfare supporting, big government bureaucrat.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
Whatever happened to Antifa and BLM?

Everyday, folks on the far right scare themselves by the boogeyman they create... then rally behind a sense of tribalism in that a battle is coming.

Identity politics, people.

It's dangerous.


Ha. Antifa...that's like 5 guys in black hoodies from california. Really scary. LOL



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Would you agree then that the politicians named in the OP aren't actually supporting Socalism then?


I'm not aware of their political advocacy. In the US, socialist can mean anything from socialist to multi-culti, welfare supporting, big government bureaucrat.


Exactly its a matter of terminology.

As you point out the social policies mentioned are not from socialist countries.

However if there policies are are not Socalism then it is equally incorrect to claim, as the OP does, that supporting these policies is advocating for Socalism.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Well, there is the third party in US politics coming out in the open after decades of propping up the Republican Party.
That is what I would like to see, no more ''who's behind the curtain'' bs.

In 2020 just go to the polls and cast votes for the NRA, who ever they run, just vote the NRA ticket. No more guessing who best will represent our freedoms, our hopes our dreams, just vote NRA. Life will be so simple for so many.

Butt then when they lose, maybe we can tell them to just shut the # up.


I would rather vote an NRA ticket than a big pharma ticket *cough cough* the Democrat's.

Like I'm suppose to not want the right to bear arm's to defend myself from tyrannical government.


Big Pharma sucks, we agree, though I can easily suppose that the Republicans are in as deep to pharma as the dems. What difference there is there I think to be moot.

By the time any of this ''they want to take our guns bs has been proven true, by all the guns being taken away, you and I will be well out of the picture. It just ain't gonna happen any time soon because that ''scare'' has been promoted big time by the NRA for ages.

I'm liberal or worse to many eyes and I own guns. Fighting against tyranny is every mans responsibility. But long ago I came to realize that my guns, and your guns will be no match for the weaponry that might be used against us with the advanced technology available to those who would physically seek to do so. That, ''gotta be armed to protect ourselves from the government '' has worked to give the illusion that what little armory we might fight to keep for ourselves will not help us in that battle. But it does help to sell guns. Not guns to fight off the government, but guns to do only one thing. Kill each other.

The NRA does not want to fight against big government, that is a complete joke. The NRA is so up the governemts ass it speaks through it's mouth and sees through it's eyes and controls it's motions like a puppet on strings.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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Exactly its a matter of terminology.

As you point out the social policies mentioned are not from socialist countries.

However if there policies are are not Socalism then it is equally incorrect to claim, as the OP does, that supporting these policies is advocating for Socalism.


In a technical sense, that's true. But to Americans, especially the right, "european-style socialism" means something different. Even Bernie Sanders called himself a socialist, and pointed to denmark as an example, wrongly. Social democracy, welfare statism, vast government bureaucracy, etc is considered socialism in the US. I assume that's what they are talking about.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Exactly its a matter of terminology.

As you point out the social policies mentioned are not from socialist countries.

However if there policies are are not Socalism then it is equally incorrect to claim, as the OP does, that supporting these policies is advocating for Socalism.


In a technical sense, that's true. But to Americans, especially the right, "european-style socialism" means something different. Even Bernie Sanders called himself a socialist, and pointed to denmark as an example, wrongly. Social democracy, welfare statism, vast government bureaucracy, etc is considered socialism in the US. I assume that's what they are talking about.


In which case enlightedservant was correct to describe such policies as socialist.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Exactly its a matter of terminology.

As you point out the social policies mentioned are not from socialist countries.

However if there policies are are not Socalism then it is equally incorrect to claim, as the OP does, that supporting these policies is advocating for Socalism.


In a technical sense, that's true. But to Americans, especially the right, "european-style socialism" means something different. Even Bernie Sanders called himself a socialist, and pointed to denmark as an example, wrongly. Social democracy, welfare statism, vast government bureaucracy, etc is considered socialism in the US. I assume that's what they are talking about.


I keep saying we need new terms.

But most people on the conservative/republican side in the US will call any program by government socialist.

We should term them mabye Scandinavian policies or Scandinavian Democrats.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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In which case enlightedservant was correct to describe such policies as socialist.


He was incorrect.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




In which case enlightedservant was correct to describe such policies as socialist.


He was incorrect.


Not by the American definition you give.

For the purpose of discussion either such policies are socialist or not. If he was incorrect so is the OP.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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It is still unclear to me exactly what the NRA has their collective panties in a bunch over here, but it wouldn't be hard to venture a guess.
As others have pointed out, socialism comes in umpteen different flavors. Did the NRA go so far as to define what the "European style" of socialism is?

It doesn't appear that the workers own the means of production in any of the European socialist democracies.
In the Nordic countries, for example, the socialist policies are typically related to education, healthcare, and other public services. Those services come at a price--high taxation; there's also a lot of government regulation--neither of those two things have ever been palatable to the right.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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Not by the American definition you give.

For the purpose of discussion either such policies are socialist or not. If he was incorrect so is the OP.


The OP calls people socialists, not policy. Bill De Blasio was an ardent supporter of the ruling socialist government in Nicaragua. So no, if he was incorrect, that doesn't mean the OP is.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Not by the American definition you give.

For the purpose of discussion either such policies are socialist or not. If he was incorrect so is the OP.


The OP calls people socialists, not policy. Bill De Blasio was an ardent supporter of the ruling socialist government in Nicaragua. So no, if he was incorrect, that doesn't mean the OP is.


The phrase in the OP 'Socialist Agenda'. Seems pretty clear he is referring to policies.

Tying to use the term socialist as a bogey man to describe vaguely left wing politicians, then claiming any left wing policies people might support isn't socialist is a tad hypocritical.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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Is that suppose to mean something?

(Facepalm) Do you not read your own posts? You literally said "The only free corporate product we don't have the right to is a firearm, says the SOCIALISTS." That's why I responded to it since I'm a living example that refutes your claim.

Socialism isn't about owning guns or not owning guns, so your argument didn't make sense. In fact, there's an entire branch of radical Marxists who believe in violent revolutions to overthrow capitalism and feudalism, so your example of socialists not thinking that people have a right to own firearms doesn't make sense there, either.



Might want to stop using that phrase right winger since your preferred ideology is right wing.


So socialism is a right wing policy now? WTF??? And if you meant gun ownership as a whole is strictly right wing, then you're wrong. Plenty of civil rights groups from the Civil Rights Movement were also pro-gun, such as the Black Panther Party and the Deacons for Self Defense. But the Black Panthers were literally communist, even directly promoting teachings from the Communist Manifesto and Mao's "Little Red Book". In fact, it was their pro-gun rights marches in California that led Republican Governor Ronald Reagan and the NRA to support stricter gun laws in California.

But that doesn't fit your narrative.
edit on 27-2-2018 by enlightenedservant because: typo grrrrr.....



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:39 PM
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You didn't refute anything.

Because socialists don't believe in individual or property rights.

That is right wing ideology.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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The phrase in the OP 'Socialist Agenda'. Seems pretty clear he is referring to policies.

Tying to use the term socialist as a bogey man to describe vaguely left wing politicians, then claiming any left wing policies people might support isn't socialist is a tad hypocritical.


I never made such a claim, so your appeal to hypocrisy, like the idea of "socialist policies", is utter nonsense.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: enlightenedservant

You didn't refute anything.

Because socialists don't believe in individual or property rights.

That is right wing ideology.



You say Socialists don't believe in property rights, but most Americans, when talking about Socialism or Democratic socialism are really talking about norway and other scandinavian countries.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Thats' what the GD definition says.



socialism [soh-shuh-liz-uh m] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. 2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory. 3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


www.dictionary.com...

But who cares right?




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