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NRA launches effort to defeat socialism

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posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

And that's a cop-out. Let's try a more detailed line of inquiry for arguments sake, shall we?


I wont bother repeating this (for a third post in a row): i have no idea what you are talking about.




posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Oh, so the police cannot take the guns until they get a court order? Fooled me again. I guess the NY times is pushing fake news. Except they list cases in the same article where the guns were in fact taken away.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Your source:

California is one of only five states with “red flag laws” or extreme risk protection orders allowing the police to temporarily take away guns from people deemed by a judge to be dangerous, often after a family member or acquaintance raises concerns.


A judge. The court. Not the police. Due process.


edit on 2/28/2018 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Hegelian Dialectic is a mere manner of operation in my book, to split some hair here. Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. The process of an open debate in a nutshell.

Neocons and neoliberals alike just happened to agree on new security laws. It's pretty much the same corporate crowd, I'm really having a hard time to spot differences there. So yes, you're spot on with the left/ right delusions when it matters. E. Bernays might be interesting for you as well, but leave me alone with the secret handshake clubbers for now.
I'm more into social engineering and philosophy. The people could still make a difference, this whole notion of an omnipotent elite looks more and more pathetic to me. Perception control is a matter of national security by now, you probably know that already. Watch the way you watch (and then your six)!



edit on 28-2-2018 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



I'm used to that, so there's that as well. Wouldn't happen with a beer but we've gotta live with this internetz crap for now. How may I be of help?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Lol

Never mind. I cant help you make your point.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That makes two already.




posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
Just noticed NRA's home page contains the following passage, straight from the top.


Help Fight the Socialist Wave
"President Trump's election, while crucial, can't turn away the wave of these new European style socialists bearing down upon us … How about Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, Andrew Cuomo, Corey Booker, Christopher Murphy and Keith Ellison … they hide behind labels like 'Democrat,' 'left-wing,' and 'progressive' to make their socialist agenda more palatable, and that's terrifying."
—Wayne LaPierre


Glad to see it. Will be donating all $5k of my tax refund this year to NRA-ILA
Been years since I have belonged to a gun organization...That's going to change very soon...

According to a Gallup poll there are about 132 million households in the U.S. that house a gun of one type or another...While most of those gun owners don't belong to a gun organization, if push comes to shove the majority of those 132 million gun owners will side with the NRA and the other gun organizations...

The Commicrats have no idea what they are pushing up against...



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: JBurns
Just noticed NRA's home page contains the following passage, straight from the top.


Help Fight the Socialist Wave
"President Trump's election, while crucial, can't turn away the wave of these new European style socialists bearing down upon us … How about Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, Andrew Cuomo, Corey Booker, Christopher Murphy and Keith Ellison … they hide behind labels like 'Democrat,' 'left-wing,' and 'progressive' to make their socialist agenda more palatable, and that's terrifying."
—Wayne LaPierre


Glad to see it. Will be donating all $5k of my tax refund this year to NRA-ILA
Been years since I have belonged to a gun organization...That's going to change very soon...

According to a Gallup poll there are about 132 million households in the U.S. that house a gun of one type or another...While most of those gun owners don't belong to a gun organization, if push comes to shove the majority of those 132 million gun owners will side with the NRA and the other gun organizations...

The Commicrats have no idea what they are pushing up against...


Make sure to mention you're getting your gun for the impending war with the Commiecrats.

Anywhere else but America, you wouldn't be seen fit.



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift
The NRA should get out of politics and go back to showing people the proper way to use and safely lock up guns. But I don't think they will.
The NRA never left showing people the proper way to use and safely lock up guns...

The NRA is not some organization 'over there somewhere'...The NRA is us...Millions of us, all across the Country...And yes, we are heavily involved in politics and rightly so...



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: JBurns
Just noticed NRA's home page contains the following passage, straight from the top.


Help Fight the Socialist Wave
"President Trump's election, while crucial, can't turn away the wave of these new European style socialists bearing down upon us … How about Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, Andrew Cuomo, Corey Booker, Christopher Murphy and Keith Ellison … they hide behind labels like 'Democrat,' 'left-wing,' and 'progressive' to make their socialist agenda more palatable, and that's terrifying."
—Wayne LaPierre


Glad to see it. Will be donating all $5k of my tax refund this year to NRA-ILA
Been years since I have belonged to a gun organization...That's going to change very soon...

According to a Gallup poll there are about 132 million households in the U.S. that house a gun of one type or another...While most of those gun owners don't belong to a gun organization, if push comes to shove the majority of those 132 million gun owners will side with the NRA and the other gun organizations...

The Commicrats have no idea what they are pushing up against...


Make sure to mention you're getting your gun for the impending war with the Commiecrats.

Anywhere else but America, you wouldn't be seen fit.
By whom except the Commicrats??? Appears to me there are large numbers of people in England, France and Germany, and even Sweden lately who would fit into an NRA membership...And I would surely appear to be fit to them...

I fit where ever and with people who love freedom...



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Phage

You’re right. Apparently a cop in California can obtain an emergency restraining order at any time of day or night, and issued orally, then seize the guns, which explains how cops are allowed to do so in the instances described in the article, for instance stopping a suicide.

Is that a reasonable seizure?



posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Hegelian Dialectic is a mere manner of operation in my book, to split some hair here. Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. The process of an open debate in a nutshell.

Neocons and neoliberals alike just happened to agree on new security laws. It's pretty much the same corporate crowd, I'm really having a hard time to spot differences there. So yes, you're spot on with the left/ right delusions when it matters. E. Bernays might be interesting for you as well, but leave me alone with the secret handshake clubbers for now.
I'm more into social engineering and philosophy. The people could still make a difference, this whole notion of an omnipotent elite looks more and more pathetic to me. Perception control is a matter of national security by now, you probably know that already. Watch the way you watch (and then your six)!


A mere manner of operation as opposed to what? And you think the secret societies are not into social engineering ? Then why does Antony Sutton explain that the American Historical Society was created by Skull and Bones for the very purpose of rewriting history the way they want it to be in the minds of a billion people? What do you think is happening when we talk about Google and Facebook and Twitter being tools of various 3 letter agencies? Did you know that members of Skull
And Bones go on to become CFR and embedded in banking industry and the media? And what makes you think
They aren't involved in the Deep State and false flags directly related to issues of gun control? The goal there is to disarm the public leaving the balance of power completely in the hands of the State and ultimately the Deep State.
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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 01:34 AM
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originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: JBurns
Just noticed NRA's home page contains the following passage, straight from the top.


Help Fight the Socialist Wave
"President Trump's election, while crucial, can't turn away the wave of these new European style socialists bearing down upon us … How about Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, Andrew Cuomo, Corey Booker, Christopher Murphy and Keith Ellison … they hide behind labels like 'Democrat,' 'left-wing,' and 'progressive' to make their socialist agenda more palatable, and that's terrifying."
—Wayne LaPierre


Glad to see it. Will be donating all $5k of my tax refund this year to NRA-ILA
Been years since I have belonged to a gun organization...That's going to change very soon...

According to a Gallup poll there are about 132 million households in the U.S. that house a gun of one type or another...While most of those gun owners don't belong to a gun organization, if push comes to shove the majority of those 132 million gun owners will side with the NRA and the other gun organizations...

The Commicrats have no idea what they are pushing up against...


Make sure to mention you're getting your gun for the impending war with the Commiecrats.

Anywhere else but America, you wouldn't be seen fit.
By whom except the Commicrats??? Appears to me there are large numbers of people in England, France and Germany, and even Sweden lately who would fit into an NRA membership...And I would surely appear to be fit to them...

I fit where ever and with people who love freedom...


Erm, I'm British, most of us view the NRA as a bunch of lunatics and we are just as free as you are.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 02:41 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot




Property rights can and do exist in socialist countries.


I assumed you had a socialist country in mind when you said this. Care to share?


Private property existed in the Soviet union. The poster child of socalist states.

Thats not to argue that the Soviet union was good at protecting human rights. More that rights can exist in a socialist state.

If you use the looser (American definition I believe you described it) then there are many examples that have better human rights protections than the US.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ScepticScot

Individual rights: As an individual, i have rights that supercede that of the society I live in. Mob rule is forbidden. Its what protects the single lamb when 7 wolves vote to eat it. Cannot exist in a true democracy or with socialism as an economic system due to fundamental issues (i.e., a group cannot vote to take away from someone else)

Human Rights: a right that is believed to belong justifiably to every person and would include rights to speak, protect oneself, etc.

The former deals with how an individual can be treated by a mob. THe latter deals with how all people are treated regardless.



Not a distinction I have ever heard before and still not sure I agree it's a usefull concept. Individual rights just seem a subset of human rights.

Probably going topic but would possibly be an interesting thread in its own right.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

[Quote] anyone who supports or benefits from a 40 hour work week, overtime pay, employees being able to buy shares in the companies they work for, worker's compensation, unemployment benefits, employee profit sharing, and Social Security literally supports socialism in action.

Just because socialism advocates something doesn't mean it is socialism in action if it is used. Benefits in a 40 hoir work week is very capitalistic. At least in my right to work state it is. Two companies and only one offers benefits, overtime pay, stock shares and worker's comp. Which one do you think a highly skilled man will pick to work for? Incentive. It's profitable for the company due to the man's skill and beneficial to the man.

Social security... It's a social program, but how is our version inherently socialist? You work your butt off to pay into it, and then you one day get to use what you put into it. Pay for someone now, and someone pays for you later. It's a good gig for everyone, and is not redistribution. Most people have to earn their social security. It's not just some hand out you didn't pay for.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

There have been volumes written on individual rights. Its a cornerstone of our republic.



posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 04:58 AM
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red socks and red necks


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posted on Mar, 1 2018 @ 04:59 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ScepticScot

There have been volumes written on individual rights. Its a cornerstone of our republic.


It's the distinction between individual and human rights. Individual rights surely are human rights?

Could point out the cornerstone of your republic wasn't included in the original constitution but that would just be pedantic.



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