I will add some perspective from the other side
originally posted by: theatreboy
One of the first things we are hearing about, is raising the age to buy a firearm until 21. We are told that kids are too emotionally stable, and do
not think of the consequences of their actions. They are immature and impulsive. However, We hare being told that these kids are bringing fresh
perspective, ideas, and are smarter than us....how can this be when they are incapable of the thought and control so much that we need to raise the
legal age for long rifles?
I believe you are conflating several arguments and treating them as one.
The "no firearms till 21" is an attempt to control the number of firearms in circulation. A family could buy a hunting rifle and let someone under 21
use it for hunting, but the person under 21 couldn't buy one. I saw a video from a local news crew that showed a kid of 13 buying a long gun of some
sort from a private seller at a gun show. (here's the video
The age range has very little to do with thought processes. Kids are humans. We have kids who are very emotionally savvy and very sophisticated in
their thinking at fairly young ages (you should have met my kids at age 11) - and we have adults that you wouldn't let play with a sharp stick.
We are being told we need background checks, comprehensive ones. Never mind that federal law all ready requires background checks and waiting periods.
But wait, it is not fair to those who want to come to the US from an Islamic state that is a known terrorist hotbed. We HAVE to bring them in even if
they can't be vetted properly.
Again, a conflation of two issues.
Right now, emotionally troubled people can buy guns (see news story
Trump overturns gun restrictions for mental health
) Someone convicted of domestic abuse can have guns -
a point of contention in Missouri... that may be kept in favor of the abusers
Kids can buy and handle guns at gun shows without a background check. Boyfriends (but not husbands) who are domestic abusers
can buy guns
- you may not find
this particularly scary, but there's an awful lot of women shot to death by abusive boyfriends.
Also of concern - states AND the military are not always very good about sharing data when someone's restricted from buying guns. This data exchange
needs to be improved.
Illegal immigrants can not legally buy guns
as we have seen, private sellers do not follow this rule.
Here (from the page of a gun owner, I believe) is a nice list of the gun rights for legal immigrants in
. I am not sure how current this is but as you can see there are some variations and the governing body in control is the state.
The number of immigrants committing crimes with guns is actually very small compared to the number of citizens committing crimes. You could bar every
single immigrant from ever having guns and it wouldn't make much of an impact.
(some data on this, which may be cross-checked with
sources that you prefer
It's a shame you're so fearful of Muslims. There are many Muslim citizens whose families have been here in the United States (as Muslims) for a
hundred years and more. We have Muslims who are members of ATS.
The ones you should be concerned about are NOT members of an ethnicity or religion, but people with anger control issues who use violence as a
solution for their problems and who have quick access to guns.
Hope this makes things clearer.
edit on 27-2-2018 by Byrd because: (no reason given)