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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
There has never been any real threat of an American prohibition on firearms..
It is an issue where the left is debating keeping assault rifles at their present number in circulation, by banning the sale of NEW assault rifles.
While the right is debating a total ban and confiscation. Something no one is even saying.. atleast no elected officials or people with enough authority to matter..
Well how do you end up with that dynamic???
Could it be that the illogical pro-gun arguments are intentionally designed to drag the debate to that fictional universe all the conservatives believe in ..
If when asked about gun control the conservative said, “of course they can’t ban them. The American people would never accept it.. it would likely cause a civil war..” well that is hard logic to argue with.. that is a really short debate..
But instead the conservatives will say “guns don’t kill people. People kill people..” or “they would just use something else” which is face value just retarded...
So is that cycle intentionally scripted by those planning on using a nonissue as their primary reason to “vote for me??”
Or is it just unintentionally the way it all worked out??
originally posted by: Willtell
Second amendment is irrelevant. The argument is based on the lethal value of certain guns and when they will be made illegal. Doesn’t include hand guns.
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
I've read about several of the proposals being floated out there, including a call from dems and some republicans to reinstate the old, expired ban on assault-style weapons. But I can't find one where they're acutally calling for a ban on semiauto handguns too. (Certainly I don't doubt that some would do that very thing, I'm just not finding any specifics.)
If you happen to have a link handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction, that would be great.
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine
House Democrats have introduced a bill banning semi-automatic firearms in the wake of the Feb. 14 shooting at a high school in Parkland, Fla.
Rep. David Cicilline, D-R.I., announced Monday he is introducing the Assault Weapons Ban of 2018. More than 150 Democrats have signed on in support of the legislation, Rep. Ted Deutch, D-Fla., said.
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine, as well as semi-automatic rifles with a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, the legislation bans the sale, transfer, production, and importation of semi-automatic shotguns with features such as a pistol grip or detachable stock, and ammunition feeding devices that can hold more than 10 rounds.
Cicilline’s legislation names 205 specific firearms that are prohibited, including the AK-47 and AR-15.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Are false and logically fallacious OPs and comments just your thing, or do you really feel that you're smarter than the rest of us? Regardless, that's a no-win situation for you.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
I've read about several of the proposals being floated out there, including a call from dems and some republicans to reinstate the old, expired ban on assault-style weapons. But I can't find one where they're acutally calling for a ban on semiauto handguns too. (Certainly I don't doubt that some would do that very thing, I'm just not finding any specifics.)
If you happen to have a link handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction, that would be great.
The current bill proposes to ban all semi-autos that can accept a detachable magazine. It doesn't limit it to rifles. Source
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine
And they wonder why they can't get # to pass. You won't even get all Democrats on board with that.
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
I've read about several of the proposals being floated out there, including a call from dems and some republicans to reinstate the old, expired ban on assault-style weapons. But I can't find one where they're acutally calling for a ban on semiauto handguns too. (Certainly I don't doubt that some would do that very thing, I'm just not finding any specifics.)
If you happen to have a link handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction, that would be great.
The current bill proposes to ban all semi-autos that can accept a detachable magazine. It doesn't limit it to rifles. Source
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine
And they wonder why they can't get # to pass. You won't even get all Democrats on board with that.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the link--definitely appreciate it.
That does kind of sound like a recycled version of the old assault weapons ban, but with that odd addition.
I have to wonder about the "detachable magazines" part. That seems a bit ambiguous, and I think you're right to point out that it could be read to include all semiautomatic handguns. If memory serves, the last ban did cover assault-style pistols like the Tech-9 and certain accessories like high-cap mags.
This bill is likely DOA for obvious reasons.
The "Fix the NCIS" bill seems to be getting more support.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
I've read about several of the proposals being floated out there, including a call from dems and some republicans to reinstate the old, expired ban on assault-style weapons. But I can't find one where they're acutally calling for a ban on semiauto handguns too. (Certainly I don't doubt that some would do that very thing, I'm just not finding any specifics.)
If you happen to have a link handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction, that would be great.
The current bill proposes to ban all semi-autos that can accept a detachable magazine. It doesn't limit it to rifles. Source
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine
And they wonder why they can't get # to pass. You won't even get all Democrats on board with that.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the link--definitely appreciate it.
That does kind of sound like a recycled version of the old assault weapons ban, but with that odd addition.
I have to wonder about the "detachable magazines" part. That seems a bit ambiguous, and I think you're right to point out that it could be read to include all semiautomatic handguns. If memory serves, the last ban did cover assault-style pistols like the Tech-9 and certain accessories like high-cap mags.
This bill is likely DOA for obvious reasons.
The "Fix the NCIS" bill seems to be getting more support.
At this point I think they propose bills they know won't pass on purpose just so they can say they did something.
originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Willtell
Doesn’t include hand guns.
What doesn't include hand guns? The new attempt certainly does to a large degree.
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
I've read about several of the proposals being floated out there, including a call from dems and some republicans to reinstate the old, expired ban on assault-style weapons. But I can't find one where they're acutally calling for a ban on semiauto handguns too. (Certainly I don't doubt that some would do that very thing, I'm just not finding any specifics.)
If you happen to have a link handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction, that would be great.
The current bill proposes to ban all semi-autos that can accept a detachable magazine. It doesn't limit it to rifles. Source
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine
And they wonder why they can't get # to pass. You won't even get all Democrats on board with that.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the link--definitely appreciate it.
That does kind of sound like a recycled version of the old assault weapons ban, but with that odd addition.
I have to wonder about the "detachable magazines" part. That seems a bit ambiguous, and I think you're right to point out that it could be read to include all semiautomatic handguns. If memory serves, the last ban did cover assault-style pistols like the Tech-9 and certain accessories like high-cap mags.
This bill is likely DOA for obvious reasons.
The "Fix the NCIS" bill seems to be getting more support.
At this point I think they propose bills they know won't pass on purpose just so they can say they did something.
It is clearly political posturing.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The current bill being proposed by the Democrats is a ban on virtually all semi-autos being sold in the US today. The majority of self-defense handguns being sold today would be banned under their bill.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are both on record having said we should consider "the Australia model", which was a ban and confiscate program.
Don't pretend no one wants to ban guns. There's people running around saying the 2nd Amendment only meant we're allowed to own muskets.
I've read about several of the proposals being floated out there, including a call from dems and some republicans to reinstate the old, expired ban on assault-style weapons. But I can't find one where they're acutally calling for a ban on semiauto handguns too. (Certainly I don't doubt that some would do that very thing, I'm just not finding any specifics.)
If you happen to have a link handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction, that would be great.
The current bill proposes to ban all semi-autos that can accept a detachable magazine. It doesn't limit it to rifles. Source
The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine
And they wonder why they can't get # to pass. You won't even get all Democrats on board with that.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the link--definitely appreciate it.
That does kind of sound like a recycled version of the old assault weapons ban, but with that odd addition.
I have to wonder about the "detachable magazines" part. That seems a bit ambiguous, and I think you're right to point out that it could be read to include all semiautomatic handguns. If memory serves, the last ban did cover assault-style pistols like the Tech-9 and certain accessories like high-cap mags.
This bill is likely DOA for obvious reasons.
The "Fix the NCIS" bill seems to be getting more support.
At this point I think they propose bills they know won't pass on purpose just so they can say they did something.
It is clearly political posturing.
And I'll say both sides are guilty of this.