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Yea for Transgender Equality!!

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posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Xtrozero

There is a way to fairly regulate it.


I'd be interested to hear how.
Would a 17st male boxer who decided he was a woman be allowed to compete in the Olympic womens boxing event. Let's say he was taking some hormones from his doctor to help his transition.

OK with you?
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posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bulwarkz

Soooo, you agree that this trans male who is taking testosterone should be allowed to fight in the men's category as requested, right? Cuz it sounded like you were saying he shouldn't be allowed because, Serena.

I agree that the people who politicized this should never have allowed her to compete while doping.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

When did she start taking hormones? Before puberty's permanent effects? What is her bone mass? What is her muscle mass? Is it in the range of the women competitors?



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: bulwarkz

She's not "doping" to get an unfair advantage. She is taking doctor-prescribed testosterone for a valid medical condition.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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Hey

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bulwarkz

She's not "doping" to get an unfair advantage. She is taking doctor-prescribed testosterone for a valid medical condition.

So that is all that is required to cheat? A dr's note? That is what decides it for you? I feel silly engaging you now as I see that is so easy for you to admit.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: bulwarkz

Do whatever you have to do dude. Interview his parents. Look at his childhood photos before he transitioned when he looked more like a little girl.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv


There is a way to fairly regulate it.


I'm not sure there is...What if the boy starts treatment at age 15? Is that too late? Are we still not limiting his choices then? In the end someone will still lose in their freedom of choices. There is no 100% fix here other than to suggest that some life CHOICES will limit what a person can and can not do.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bulwarkz

She's not "doping" to get an unfair advantage. She is taking doctor-prescribed testosterone for a valid medical condition.


Was she ill before the treatment or a reason to start the treatment? I have a concern with your "valid medical condition" that in the end is just a life choice...



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

So, you set an age limit. You set up acceptable range limits of muscle and bone mass for exceptions to the age limit.

You are not talking about millions of people here. You are talking about a small handful of trans people who actually want to compete.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

When did she start taking hormones? Before puberty's permanent effects? What is her bone mass? What is her muscle mass? Is it in the range of the women competitors?


So you'd want to exclude him unless he decided he wanted to be a woman before puberty and because he was too strong? I see. So your solution would be that only SOME transgenders would be allowed. These silly social justice led ideals always run into the same issue in practice. You just end up having to create convoluted rules that end up excluding some people and creating injustice. That's what happens when feelings dictate ideas and not logic.
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posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

When did she start taking hormones? Before puberty's permanent effects? What is her bone mass? What is her muscle mass? Is it in the range of the women competitors?


So you'd want to exclude him unless he decided he wanted to be a woman before puberty and because he was too strong? I see. So your solution would be that only SOME transgenders would be allowed. These silly social justice led ideals always run into the same issue in practice. You just end up having to create convoluted rules that end up excluding some people and creating injustice. That's what happens when feelings dictate ideas and not logic.

The fact that it’s adequayely summed up in 1 sentence, the first of you post, means it’s not at all convoluted.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I didn't say they couldn't compete. Just have to compete in the category that makes the most sense.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bulwarkz

She's not "doping" to get an unfair advantage. She is taking doctor-prescribed testosterone for a valid medical condition.


Intent doesn't matter. The effect is what matters.

Altering your natural physical body is not allowed for regular performance athletes because your body and its capability is part of what separates one athlete from another.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

I didn't say they couldn't compete. Just have to compete in the category that makes the most sense.


The only one that make any sense is co-ed recreational.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

I didn't say they couldn't compete. Just have to compete in the category that makes the most sense.


Which category would that be? 17st women with a bone mass and muscle mass of a 17 stone man? He'd be air boxing. How many categories do you think there would be with all these age, bone mass, muscle mass, puberty calculations? It's nonsense and you know it.

I can just see it now.., Lets get ready to rumble! The over 16st, dense bone mass, 20% muscle, 30-45, pre-puberty transgender and womens Olympic gold medal match ! YaY!


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posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

It would be in the category of men.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

It would be in the category of men.


Why should the 17st male boxer who decided to be a women have to box against men and not against women?
You said earlier he's be matched against women of similar age, bone mass, muscle mass and only allowed if he wanted to be a woman before puberty.
Have the rules changed again?



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

If they don't fit in the category of women's range of weight, muscle mass and bone mass, then they have to compete in the men's. If they DO fit in the category of women's range of weight, muscle mass and bone mass, then they compete in the women's.

Simples.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

If they don't fit in the category of women's range of weight, muscle mass and bone mass, then they have to compete in the men's. If they DO fit in the category of women's range of weight, muscle mass and bone mass, then they compete in the women's.

Simples.






I see, so if you're just too big you get discriminated against after all - not quite getting the same rights as the smaller tranny. Gotcha.

In physical sports,
Biological men compete against biological men
Biological women compete against biological women
That's the only thing that makes sense, not your nonsense about transgender qualifications based on weight, bone mass, muscle and puberty.


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posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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The beatings will continue until females say uncle?

This has never made sense to me.




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