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The history of the second amendment in American culture.

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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Logarock

All of that was understood as referring to “a well organized militia”..


The nra types just made the case that the American people were a militia..

Don’t know how they got around the “well organized part”, but the NRA chair doesn’t disagree with any of that..

As you mentioned., it is history.. we have all the paperwork still.


Apparently you haven't read Madison in the Federalist Papers on this very issue. Militias are part of it but militias are explained as part of well armed citizenry. Do your dang homework for Petes sake. Thats whats wrong with the debate in this country is to many adding to it without much of a clue.

And I never needed the NRA to tell me jack on this issue.
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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

That would be a lie..

A militia is almost always indepent from the standing military.

Just because the 2cond is referring to militias, doesn’t mean they can or would be banning all the guns.

One thing says NOTHING about the other..

Because of such precedent is the reason no one ever sues in court siting the 2cond..

It is purely a pop culture reference that has little to no legal standing..


If it actually meant regular citizens couldn’t be “infringed” then there couldn’t constitutionally be ANY fun free zones..

Yet no one has successfully sued to abolish them.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


There was no Supreme Court in 1776.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

If you don't like it, go elsewhere.
God, guts, and guns made America free, not sniveling liberal communistas.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

The second refers to the RIGHTS,

Of the states to have militias.

The right of the people.

As both being necessary to the security of a FREE state.

Shall not be infringed.


Throw in the 9th,and 10th, and 14 th on top of them.

Regulation gets the smackdown.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You can have this when you can take it from my cold, dead hands.




posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

That doesn’t mean the second amendment is talking about that citizenry though..


If your interpretation was the legal interpretation. There could be no gun free zones at all.. ANYWHERE..


The second they tried to make whatever public place “gun free” someone would sue and over turn it..


If a state or congress passed a law, it wouldn’t matter . The Supreme Court would instantly declare it as unconditional..

BUT THAT DOESNT HAPPEN...

Because the legal precedent previous to 2008 all said it was referring to a well organized militia.


FYI .. none of this means they are banning guns...

There are miles of space between the second referring to militias and a gun ban today..

Hell, congress could add an amendment specifically allowing firearm ownership.


The only thing this dies is make those siting the 2cond , look ignorant.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Perhaps we should at least try to understand why the 2nd Amendment was drafted.


The Founding Fathers, having just broken away from Great Britain, understood the new federal government they were ratifying might one day become just as tyrannical. If it had the authority to control citizen access to firearms, then it could disarm them, just as the British attempted to do. This would make any attempts to restore liberties futile.

The Second Amendment was specifically included in the Bill of Rights to prevent this.


This does not jive at all with the progressive interpretation, does it?

That's the thing about progressives.. they don't like a word or phrase in the Constitution or codified into law, then they will just gradually change the meaning of the word or the phrase.

Look what they've done to the meaning of the welfare clause, for example.

So no star, no flag for you... and the gun control you are looking for? Never going to happen.




posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Take what from your cold dead hands??

A math problem.. lol

I don’t even know you and don’t want or need anything you got migo..



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:56 AM
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The Supreme Court has changed its mind on a lot of things.
Segregation, same sex marriage, interracial marriage and now gun rights.

Are all of these decisions "constitutional fraud"?



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JoshuaCox


Interesting perspective.

Along the same lines, I think we need to reexamine why women get to vote.


DUDE! You triggered "Sniff My Arm Pit."

Standing Ovation- STAR, and

I'm going to have to U2U "Sniff" a puppy, crayons, coloring book and more packets of Hot Coco with dried marshmallows.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

Take what from your cold dead hands??

A math problem.. lol

I don’t even know you and don’t want or need anything you got migo..


He is referring to this: Police Called to School Because ‘Math Symbol Looked like a Gun’
... and apparently making a statement regarding the absurd insanity we are currently witnessing.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Random separate citizens don’t fight aggressive nation states “well organized militias” do.

Just because the second isn’t about personal firearm ownership. Does not in anyway mean the founding fathers were cool with disarmament..




That is just a monumental leap of logic..


The American people will never accept being disarmed nor ANY kind of confiscation..


So There is no need to lie and use garbage logic .....


No one would accept it and no one would enforce it.. nuff said.


No need to make yourself look like a jack @$$ By spouting nonesense.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JoshuaCox

You can have this when you can take it from my cold, dead hands.






Molon Root!



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari


Madison goes into detail using European historical examples to explain just that. The rising of local, regional and continental tyrants.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You obviously didnt read the news this morning about the students who got "triggered" over the square root sign looking like a gun. Thats what ol DBCowboy is making a sweet reference to there.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:00 AM
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Until my guns escape their cabinets and murder someone by themselves, gun grabbers can GTFO and go read the Federalist Papers. In the US less than 0.01% of guns are ever used in Crime by bad people. What we need is criminal control



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Lumenari

Random separate citizens don’t fight aggressive nation states “well organized militias” do.




Again you are not arguing with knowledge here. Madison was clear the right was to support not only the state but the people from among other things the state itself.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Lumenari

Random separate citizens don’t fight aggressive nation states “well organized militias” do.

Just because the second isn’t about personal firearm ownership. Does not in anyway mean the founding fathers were cool with disarmament..


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The second IS about personal firearm ownership.

As for separate citizens fighting aggressive nation states... that is exactly what happened in the Revolutionary war. Individual citizens - farmers, and people from all walks of life - joined together and stood up to the tyranny. And they won. Our forefathers wanted to ensure that if some tyrannical government ever tried again to take away our liberties, the people would have a chance to fight back.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: BlueAjah




Our forefathers wanted to ensure that if some tyrannical government ever tried again to take away our liberties, the people would have a chance to fight back.


And that...is the meat of the matter, that our OP and throngs of unthinking others need to wrap whats left of their grey matter around.



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