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The history of the second amendment in American culture.

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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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This is a radiolab where they cover the history of the second amendment and how it CHANGED from being interpreted as talking about militias, to concering the defense of private citizens for criminals.


It is super unbiased and covers the creation of the NRA to when it CHANGED to being an anti-gun control lobby. After a hostel take over from the “hunters” who founded it by the militia types.


I really hope this link works for everyone, since it is routed through my apple app..


itunes.apple.com...


It is the most recent episode of radiolab if the link doesn’t work for you.

Guess what year the Supreme Court established that “the right to bear arms” covered regular citizens???

2008.. damn..

Guess what year was the first time the nra mentioned the second amendment AT ALL??

1985...

Guess what year Americans first even heard that the second amendment was about private citizens???

1967..

Guess who was the first person to publicly say the second amendment was about the public being armed,??

The founder of the black panthers.. (1967)


It is just super fascinating..


Previous to that 2008 Supreme Court decision there was zero lawsuits that sited the second amendment to overturn a city/states gun control laws.. and there was no shortage of gun control laws passed..

Tombstone and it’s “no one can carry guns in city limits law” from Wyatt Urp fame... for example..


Back in the 1960s there was a rash of police shootings of unarmed black people that became big stories.

So the black panthers decided to arm themselves and “observe” police interactions between black citizens and cops..

When they saw a black person pulled over. They would post up 20ft away armed with shotguns and rifles and observe the interaction.

Obviously, this scared the hell out of police. So they decided to ban carrrying loaded weapons in public (Mumford act).

To protest the black panthers showed up armed to the California capital and walked right up to a then governor Ronald Regan while he was talking to school children.

Regan invites the black panthers into the capital building and the place erupts..


After this RONALD REGAN passes the Mumford act, banning loaded guns in public, within city limits.

After that there is this massive push by white Americans for more gun control , because the though of armed black uprisings has ALWAYS scared the hell out of white Americans.

The “pro-second amendment” movement would be born out of the reaction to those attempts at gun control, with rural farmers assuming the government would be “comming for our guns” next ..




It is super interesting and includes interviews with the black panther founded, the Chairman and leader of the NRA take over, the lawyer you got the Supreme Court to rule that way, and a few more primary sources..

If anyone is familiar with radiolab you will know it is unbiased. They draw no conclusions. They only state the facts of what happened.









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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


]This is a radiolab where they cover the history of the second amendment and how it CHANGED from being interpreted as talking about militias,

In my time, the media used to state the word "Militia" really meant the National Guard, not the Citizenry.

That was a lie too. Something they didn't have to add because it was common knowledge back in their time: The MinuteMen were every tom, dick and harry with arms, grab it and come running to the town square. The british are coming.


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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


Well lucky for some of us that know better, the important talk about the 2nd amendment took place between the time of the Articles of Confederation and the Adoption of the Constitution. The better understanding of what the 2nd amendment is found in the Federalist Papers.

Don't really need the NRA, the courts or organizations now or over the years explaining that.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

How can it “be a lie when from 1776 to 2008 all Supreme Court decisions ruled the other way???

In fact , as the podcast covers republican and Nixon Supreme Court appointee was quoted as saying.

The shift in its interpretation is “the biggest case of fraud in the history of constitutional law “..



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

All of that was understood as referring to “a well organized militia”..


The nra types just made the case that the American people were a militia..

Don’t know how they got around the “well organized part”, but the NRA chair doesn’t disagree with any of that..

As you mentioned., it is history.. we have all the paperwork still.


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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


Interesting perspective.

Along the same lines, I think we need to reexamine why women get to vote.



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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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No matter what you post you are never ever never going to get my guns.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Along the same lines, I think we need to reexamine why women get to vote.


Say what?!?! They can vote?

Jesus H. Christ on his cross, what has the world come to?



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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December 1791?


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


How anyone interprets these words to mean anything other than exactly what they say is odd to me.

It can't be any more simple or clear and yet people still try to change the meaning and interpretation to fit their agendas.




posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


I don't have the time at the moment to check the link but does it cover what the Founders said at the time the Constitution was being drafted? Many of them are pretty clear on what they felt that it meant vis a vis the Citizen and the Government.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Think that's scary? They get to drive too.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Along the same lines, I think we need to reexamine why women get to vote.


Say what?!?! They can vote?

Jesus H. Christ on his cross, what has the world come to?


I think they can only vote on shoes or purses or makeup.

Or what kind of sandwiches they should make for us.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:31 AM
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Yes... “a well regulated militia” starts the whole thing off..

BECAUSE THEY WERE REFERRING TO MILITIAS and the ability to defend against state on state or fed on state violence..

Obviously..

Which is why the fist Supreme Court decision that sites the second amendment was in 2008..

If that is the way it was previously interpreted. They why was their not a lawsuit that sited the second amendment everytine a place banned guns in city limits???

That would be impossible under the MODERN interpretation..



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:35 AM
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The Supreme court is inconsistent.

They say not everyone has the right to keep and bear arms.

Then they turn around and say EVERYONE has the Right to get married.

Two issues one stone.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

It’s really not a perspective..

It is history..

How the Supreme Court interpreted the second amendment before and after the push in the 1980s is not a subjective thing..


It is either objectively true or false..


Just because the second amendment wasn’t talking about individuals, doesn’t mean that they will be taking the guns lol..


It ONLY means all the second amendment propaganda is fraudulent.


As I say constantly..

The American people would never allow a prohibition on guns..

That is all the reason anyone needs not to ban them..

There is no need for broken logic or revisionist history..

It just makes people look stupid.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: whywhynot

No one is trying to dummy....

I’m trying to stop you from looking like an idiot because your spouting nonesense..
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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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You're willfully or purposefully ignoring the context and meaning and of course the words "the people"

The militia to provide security, the people have the right to keep and bear arms.

But, I suppose you'll suggest that they meant that people can keep and bear arms (including elbows, hands and fingers)?


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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Boy now that is apples and oranges for real lol..



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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Nothing has changed.

The second amendment is still the one thing that will always stand in the way of the government becoming a dictatorship.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: neo96

Boy now that is apples and oranges for real lol..


Sad.

Not even close to being apples to oranges.

It's apples to apples.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The rainbow ammendment

www.law.cornell.edu...

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Covers guns,marriage, and anything else you want.




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