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Importance of Masculinity and Self-Respect

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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:17 AM
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Over the last few years I've seen a rising trend from within feminist circles and other places that one of the core issues with society is a "toxic masculinity". I've always been a nerdy type of guy, I watch anime and I'm a programmer who loves the tech scene, I don't really get into any sports, especially not sports like football where a bunch of buff dudes run around a field tackling each other. In my school days I very much despised the jock-type guys who seemed to pride themselves on their masculinity. It was basically a type of toxic masculinity as far as I was concerned.

However, as I have grown older, and I've seen the world overflow with SJW rants about how much men suck, and I'm seeing large swaths of men being raised as what has been termed "soy boys", and now I can truly understand why masculinity as well as femininity are both very important. Now I'm not saying some guys aren't mentally predisposed to act more like a girl, sure some guys may feel more comfortable if they dress and act like a women, I'm not trying to take them away from them, but I find it quite discerning when I see entire generations of boys being raised to hate masculine traits.

Masculinity doesn't have to be this toxic thing, it doesn't need to involve chest bumping and beer drinking. The issue here which annoys me most of all is that feminists and women in general don't admit to the fact that they prefer masculine men over wimpy little man-boys. This is a simple fact of life which I have come to understand with experience, although women often claim they want the soft sensitive feminist male, what they really want is nothing like that, at least not on a physical level, which is why the over-sensitive nice guys often come last, and then develop deep hatred because they don't know why.

There is nothing wrong with embracing your masculinity and having respect for yourself rather than trying to kiss the feet of everyone around you. I cannot remember the source, but I read a very good quote some time ago explaining how we cannot help anyone around us without first helping ourselves, and that's why it's so important to have some self-respect, while being able to show humility at the same time. Masculinity is simply the counter balance to femininity, they both have their place and we will achieve nothing by fusing them and creating an androgynous society where we're all the same.
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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:23 AM
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well thank god you're here to tell all us women what we really want

lulz



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: fiverx313

I didn't say all, and you can deny what I said all you want but it's the simple truth.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I think the phase "Toxic Masculinity" was coined to differentiate it from "Healthy Masculinity".



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Men can be hygenic, gay, nerdy, and/or sensitive while maintaining their masculinity. As long as we lift weights and go running to keep them pecks buffed out and the belly fat down. Flagship men must maintain that physique, otherwise we are letting the species down.

LIFT DAMN YOU! LIFT!!!!



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

As a man, to respect yourself, you have to respect masculinity. It is the capitalism of evolution. We are simultaneously competing against each other and working together.

Who gives a s* if you like anime? You're still a man.

Being a man means creating your own world that works for you. And that is done by trying. And failing along the way.


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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Men can be hygenic, gay, nerdy, and/or sensitive while maintaining their masculinity.

This is true, I actually think Milo is a great example of this, well groomed and gay yet has a hard masculine edge to him and an air of self-respect that shows he isn't ashamed of who he is. Although I still find him kind of hard to like because he's a bit of a troll lmao...


As long as we lift weights and go running to keep them pecks buffed out and the belly fat down.

Lol this I don't really agree with, it's not necessarily about being well built, a man of average build can still be masculine, I don't see any need to go overboard with the muscles, as long as a person is not too much overweight it's fine.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz


Who gives a s* if you like anime? You're still a man.

Haha, yeah I know it doesn't matter but I was just trying to provide some background and explain my perspective on the matter from a position as a person who never really liked overly masculine traits.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

What are overly masculine traits?



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

Well these days I'm a lot less critical of masculinity in general but as I said when a person makes their identity revolve around their masculinity then I think they're taking it too far, they're just being buffoons and are throwing intellectualism out the window.
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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:09 AM
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A man can be masculine without being a douche.
It's the 21st century, cave men not required.

K~



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:09 AM
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Men being concerned about their masculinity is the most unmasculine thing I can think of.

I guess in the age of trump, little hands, orange combovers, porn stars and trophy wives it's to be expected.

American culture has gone all horror show, driven by political circus clowns, covfefe and a steaming pile of BS. Sad, really really sad, believe me very sad!!



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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:09 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

C'mon man. I asked you a reasonable question. Give me an example of something that is overly masculine.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Men being concerned about their masculinity is the most unmasculine thing I can think of.





Only if you ignore evolution. Every single species evolves for the sole purpose of procreation.

We are the only species that questions the ethics of it all.
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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:18 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

C'mon man. I asked you a reasonable question. Give me an example of something that is overly masculine.

You're right, when you really think about it, it's hard to think of a good example which couldn't be justified in some way, which is why I'm not so critical of masculinity these days, but there are still times where it annoys me. For example here in AU if you're a guy you're basically a seen as a wimp if you don't watch football and drink beer, both things I don't particularly enjoy, but which dominate our culture to an extent where I find it annoying.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:20 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Men being concerned about their masculinity is the most unmasculine thing I can think of.

It's more about not being totally unconcerned with it or thinking it has no importance or is something to rid from society.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 02:10 AM
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I agree OP as a fellow Macho man.

Just for you.




posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 04:52 AM
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originally posted by: fiverx313
well thank god you're here to tell all us women what we really want

lulz





posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 04:55 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
LIFT DAMN YOU! LIFT!!!!


I ALREADY DID...




posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 04:59 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

C'mon man. I asked you a reasonable question. Give me an example of something that is overly masculine.


In my opinion, it is the thug tough guy who walks around after being kicked out of a night club for starting fights, who engages with a random person, coward punches them and smirks for a selfie.

They exist. And that's a sad state of affairs, when they are dead set on proving how 'manly' they are in such a way.

Real masculinity comes from inside... and not how much you can bench press, how many knockouts you've achieved, or how hard you can kick a ball.




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