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Atomwaffen: The Face of Domestic Terrorism in the US

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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

Hyperbole. They usually don't kill people. Show me the list of their alleged victims from the last decade or so?

And while you keep pushing this stupid angle, you are defacto playing down the real danger coming from groups like Atomwaffen. Or like the German NSU with all it's Gladio/ Stay Behind connections to the "deep state". That might be the agenda at play here and it isn't even an entirely new spin.

Lame. Post a vid of another broken window or something?




posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 06:20 AM
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Both Atomwaffen/neo nazis and antifa bring terror to the public, it´s that easy. You can´t tell me antifa isn´t a terror group, when they set fire and beat up citizens. Both groups are equal in the sense of they bring terror to the public, that counts, nothing else. Just because they name themselfes "Atomwaffen", does not mean they have them available.


That was my original point until it got sidetracked by statements like yours "But but but they are not that worse".

My point is, they are terrorists just like nazis, because they bring terror to the public. I wrote that because of the OP post:




I'm not going to lie. The apologists and deflections make me want to leave this site. We're slipping more and more towards Nazi ideology being acceptable and no one notices.


It was my answer that antifa -and any other terror group- is not any better. But since you are unable to follow the whole thread and just skim over posts to attack them as always, you miss the big picture here.

I am not surprised by this, as you do this all the time.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 06:31 AM
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My point is, they are terrorists just like nazis, because they bring terror to the public.


Oh yeah, there goes that "there's violence on both side" Bollocks again!

At least you guys have your self-righteous justifications in check to trash threads like this one with whataboutisms. I'll leave it with "no Antifa murders during the last decade in the land of the Krauts".
Thanks for the cooperation regarding our bigger picture, I guess.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 06:49 AM
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Keep on exchanging one evil for the other. So you are endorsing antifa here? All good with them? Watched the videos?



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

I'll take what I can get to keep the civil society intact, sure. And we're obviously running into problems, society_wise, when secret services support terror attacks. I brought up the NSU case in order to address possible parallels regarding the groups in the US, not for no reason at all. You see that, right?



Keep on exchanging one evil for the other.


Fist, you'd have to put up in order to make your false equivalency work. Antifa isn't the Black Block either, you're making some gross mistakes in your judgement. Differentiations would help.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 07:07 AM
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I'll take what I can get to keep the civil society intact, sure.


So antifa helps keeping the civil society intact?




posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 07:35 AM
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IMHO, yes.


Antifascism has surged to the fore of debates on the American left under Trump’s presidency, and many of the tactics and visual styles of the German Antifa can be seen emerging in cities like Berkeley and elsewhere. Some argue that with the arrival of European-style neo-fascist movements on American shores, it is also time to import European Antifa tactics in response.

Yet the Antifa of today is not a product of a political victory from which we can draw our own strength, but of defeat — socialism’s defeat at the hands of Nazism and resurgent global capitalism, and later the exhaustion of the autonomist movement in the wake of the neoliberal turn and the sweeping gentrification of many German cities..

The Lost History of Antifa

YMMV



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 08:32 AM
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Then IMHO, your HO is simply wrong. Let´s agree to disagree, but let it be said that the citizens in Berlin, Cologne, Stuttgart and Herrenberg (the list goes on) will disagree, too.

Your text is written by antifa sympathizers, it´s revealed by this:



Yet the Antifa of today is not a product of a political victory from which we can draw our own strength, but of defeat...


So I don´t care. As long as antifa does not speak up but hiddenly endorses such scenes like there, they are at fault too.



posted on Feb, 27 2018 @ 05:23 AM
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Newsflash: not the Black Block, it's Antifa we're talking about. Mothers with their children, teachers and fricken social workers among lotta students. Just join one of their demonstrations and try to actually talk with some people?
So you can't discern betweeen outright terror with means of murder and bombs, compared to street clashes with Neonazis and broken windows during the G20 summit? Some people still prioritize property above a human life, you're obviously one of them. It's hard to fathom that you don't see the false equivalency at play here.



One of the biggest antifascist campaigns in Germany in recent years was the, ultimately successful, effort to block the annual Nazi-rallies in the east German city of Dresden in Saxony, which had grown into "Europe's biggest gathering of Nazis".

en.m.wikipedia.org...-13

I disagree with the part you quoted due to a success like this, but this isn't the thread for that debate. What do you think, should I start an AMA? Like... "I'm Antifa sympathiser - ask me anything"?



posted on Mar, 10 2018 @ 07:26 PM
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Stifling speech you dislike is fashcist. ANTIFA are hypocrites



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