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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: ScepticScot
Murder "per capita". Murder by what? "Per Capita"? Murder, is murder! Guns are not a reason, anymore than being choked to death by a good necktie.
What easy access? Tell me, how easy it is to get a "legal" "gun" in The USA?
Anything else, is "illegal".
So are you speaking from experience? Or are you just parroting what you have heard?
originally posted by: dothedew
a reply to: ScepticScot
Just because you don't agree with a statement doesn't make it any less true, nor does labeling it as such make it any less apparent. That's like the equivalent of calling someone a bigot because you don't have a follow up argument.
We have high murder rates due to guns, yes. Excluding suicide that would be done regardless, excluding justifiable police shootings against dangerous suspects, we are left with about 5,000 firearm murders per year.
Also, between the years of 2009 and 2015 we were ranked #12 in mass shootings, behind countries such as Belgium, Austria, and France.
We could through out other fun facts, such as that :
We have a much lower violent crime rate than other comparable countries.
Our school shooting rate has increased 4 fold since the gun free some act of 1990 was passed.
98% of all mass shootings happening in gun free zones, whether they be federally or local/state mandated.
Studies done during previous administrations have shown that private firearm ownership prevents roughly 2.5 million vuolent crimes per year, be it via stopping the individual, firing warning shots, and sometimes simply by brandishing the firearm.
Your accusations of drivel are drivel in themselves. If you really think none of the above means anything, that we should willfully allow sitting ducks in classrooms because a party platform says it's in our best interest, then you need to reevaluate your thinking process.
History shows that disarming law abiding citizens leads to higher rates of crime. Having gun free zones leads to criminals having open targets with zero chance to defend themselves, thanks to policy. Then, these same idiot politicians that voted for this policy decide we need MORE policy, and the cycle continues.
I actually had an ATS member chastise me in another thread yesterday for daring to bring up facts/logical arguments with nullified their anti-gun rant. Not surprising, in the least. This is the same crew who seeks to ban free speech (calling it "hate speech") and ensure that criminals can make the rest of us victims like them.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: luthier
Oddly enough more people live off the grid in liberal states or mixed libertarian liberal states.
In California, it's called being homeless, not living off the grid.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: JBurns
Meaningless hyperbole.
Good god, another day, another 'why the Left hates....' post on ATS.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Painterz
Good god, another day, another 'why the Left hates....' post on ATS.
Good question!
Care to answer it ?
Why does the left hate me and 300 million other Americans that are not in violation of any law?
Maybe they should stop being so bigoted, and instituting legalized discrimination.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScepticScot
Funny how they think us law abiding gun owners are just three fifths of a person.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScepticScot
The 14th amendment that says that.
Ya know that piece of paper the usual suspects refuse to read.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScepticScot
The 14th amendment that says that.
Ya know that piece of paper the usual suspects refuse to read.