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America, How do you reason with those who bless AR-15s as Rods of God?

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posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 04:48 AM

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek
Why aren't they in a rubber room some where on heavy meds?

I could ask the same about people with seething hatred and logic debilitating fear of an entirely inanimate, nonsentient object.

So America how do you plan on reasoning with people who hold such beliefs?

The same way we deal with any other nutty loon that doesn't use common sense, doesn't understand what they're so horribly scared of, and lacks any degree of logic or foresight into what they are upset over: empty platitudes, placations, and a healthy dose of good old patronization until they quietly wander away and leave the adults to discuss the important stuff.

Great, thought provoking thread, by the way.
Good stuff, man.

Every damn thing is an inanimate object. Even a Nuke. WE GET IT. ffs

When will people grow the hell up.. We get it, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Lets all give them frigging ways to do it, easier.

Jesus frigging christ....

Ever watch MacGyver?

You can kill people with a BBQ or tripping them on a stairway.

Or anaphylactic shock.

Which I had a bout with last week.

lol, it totally sucks, let me tell ya.

My buds 6 mo old had that, cannot believe what that poor kid went through, or him and his wife.

At least I knew what was happening and made it to the ER.

That little O2 plastic tube thingy they they put in your nostrils is BS.

It does # all to help you breathe.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 05:43 AM
a reply to: aethertek

So they have a strange opinion and it makes them iresponsible?

This kind of nonsense is what scares me. You get half dozen smug jerks together and get them to agree you are crazy and boom....mob rule usurps individual rights

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 05:59 AM
to the readers here with common sense:

when you see a thread like this, don't comment on it, move along. Fueling stupidity is a bad idea.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 06:21 AM
a reply to: aethertek

just who do they plan on ruling over with their Magical AR-15s.

Well, people like yourself for starters. Those who would prefer to remain castrated in the face of the evils of the world. I mean, you can choose to have claws and fangs, or remain declawed and toothless. Its your choice.

edit on 2-22-2018 by worldstarcountry because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 06:32 AM

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
And again, a controversial topic - one side brings up arguments, links, whatever.

The other side uses name-calling.

Do you call this a discussion?

This board has become a stupid, lame joke.
And now someone will write "no, YOU are a lame joke".
So funny. Laughs will be had.

Yep, that's about it, this site is no longer a discussion site where people learn from each other, it is now something very different.

Ummm...this site is a reflection of the societies that people it...nothing more...

Perhaps the discussion should be...

Why have these societies allowed themselves to such an direction...?

Therein lies the great conundrum...


posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 06:32 AM
a reply to: Vector99

Vector 99, this is victor vector

new vector spin 180 and stay on that heading till the inner marker

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 06:39 AM
a reply to: network dude

Fueling stupidity is a bad idea, but I can't help myself. Maybe this proves the "stupidity" factor of this thread.

Since responsible gun owners who purchased their weapons legally are the two most recent mass murderers how about psychological exams for gun owners.

How in God's name is a "mass murderer" a responsible gun owner? One of the definitons for the word responsible is:

having a capacity for moral decisions and therefore accountable; capable of rational thought or action

You fail. Sorry.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 06:55 AM
maybe the problem is that some among us think that there is already a war in progress??

“My brothers,” Ray began, looking at his phone in the dark room. “A day is quickly coming when it is we who will be digging graves.” The neo-Nazis howled their approval. For them, the “Unite the Right” rally had always been more than a protest against the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. It was, as Ray and Anglin put it on the Daily Stormer, a “battle cry” for white nationalism.

“This is our war!” Ray yelled in the safe house. “This has always been our war. And I wouldn’t want it any other way. Death to traitors! Death to the enemies of the white race! Hail victory!”

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:11 AM

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: aethertek

warped view of reality

This is your posting history in 4 words.

Actually, I'd observe that about half of ATS agrees with him, which makes your accusation of 'warped view of reality' entirely subjective.
Just sayin', in case you're intent on betting the farm, eh?

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:11 AM
America, How do you reason with those who bless AR-15s as Rods of God?

Well if someone does worship a firearm that would fall under BOTH the first and second amendments.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

So don't be an AR Phobe.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:14 AM
a reply to: aethertek

Now, hold on a second.

No one with functioning eyes or mind, would suggest that the USA is free of crazy people with guns. But we have GOT to stop treating everyone who possesses firearms, as a nutbar, just because they have them.

Your comment, at once makes clear the correct solution to this issue, that being the removal of these absolute lunatics to a place of safety, where they can harm neither themselves or anyone else, while also muddying the water by implying that you believe that these people are representative of the gun owning public, and those who support the second amendment to the constitution of the United States of America. Its pretty clear that these people do not even represent their chosen faith very well, leave alone the wider gun owning public.

And as for reasoning with such people... That is not the task at hand. Arguing with insane people is the habit of either idiots or other mental cases. You cannot take part in an argument or debate with a person who has no grasp of reality, or understanding of their place within it, without either becoming, or having already been, a complete crazy case yourself. But it is not NECESSARY to reason with people who are incapable of reason, in order to have a healthy discussion about what to do about mass shootings, which are the actual problem at hand. The existence of, the availability of guns, is NOT the prime driver for mass shootings. Disaffected, untreated lunatics, walking the streets of the United States, without effective supervision or attention from the mental health services, is the prime driver. A society based on luck more than hard work, in terms of what gets you what you need to survive and live in some relative happiness, that is a much larger driver for mass murder, than ANY number of guns, knives, bombs, hammers, axes and harpoons ever are. But crucially, the crazies you have spoken about, are not the people who need convincing of a different perspective to their own, because, being crazy, their opinions are not based on reality and they are in the minority by several orders of magnitude.

As for your bonus question, its likely as not relating, in some way, to this passage:

From Matthew 25:31–46: "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."

This may mean that they believe that between the separation of the sheep and goats (figuratively speaking) and the actual end of the mortal realm here on Earth, there will be a period where those goats might need to be kept from getting up to mischief of some sort, and have selected the AR-15 as their preferred tool of chastisement. Of course, no sane person would think Christ would need a gun, or the assistance of mortal persons in order to carry out the prophecies to which his name is attached, which is yet more evidence that these people are neither responsible gun owners, nor people whose opinions can be said to be important when weighed against more... reasonable voices in the gun owning community in America. Those more reasonable voices are far more numerous.

In closing, the fact that some people are crazy, should not mean that everyone who is not has to answer for them. What it means is that people who are crazy should be getting assistance from the State, either to cure or contain their illness, whichever seems most reasonable and applicable in each case. The fact that some people are crazy should not mean that people who have similar possessions ought to be thought of in the same light as them, and nor does it mean that people who happen to also own guns, ought to have them taken away, simply because insane people cannot be trusted with them.

The problem being experienced in the United States of America, is not that guns exist or are available, any more than it is that kitchen knives, or lengths of galvanised wire are available. The problem is that the government refuses to remove any and all persons willing to USE weapons outside of a defensive situation, from the general population, and put them in locations where they are not capable of reaching others with their compressed fury, with the results of their psychological torment. The unwillingness of successive administrations to STERNLY combat the rise in mental health problems amongst the population, is the ONLY thing to blame for any of the crap that is going on at the moment. If your constitution demands that the people have a right to bear arms, and that this right will not be infringed for any reason, which it does, then you MUST accept that the consequence of this, is that people who cannot be trusted to keep their bullets in their mag unless the crap is hitting the fan, cannot be trusted to walk around free either.

THAT is the correct solution to this problem.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:20 AM

originally posted by: aethertek

So America how do you plan on reasoning with people who hold such beliefs?

Shoot them with the "machine-gun of secular humanism"!

Do you really feel the need to "deal with" people who think differently than yourself?

Why not just let them live their lives? Why do you feel such a need to control people and tell them how to think?

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:22 AM
a reply to: DBCowboy

Why do you feel such a need to control people and tell them how to think?

Because reich wingers are cheeky like that.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:50 AM
All the same tired, failed and absurd justifications. Don't you all get sick of yourselves? Everyone else does.

We're hitting "peak gun", so buy, buy, buy, cling, cling, cling. At least you'll have some creepy collector's items.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:55 AM

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

This isn't that isolated of an incident, the christian Dominionist movement is chock full of people like this.
Their "Army of God".

Great two birds with one stone, eh? Gun owners and religious individuals.

These events merely increase my desire to buy a more powerful, longer ranged weapon. You might consider moving to Canada.....oh, wait, you can buy AR-15s there.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 08:00 AM
It's curious as to why the usual suspects are so hell-bent on turning the US in to a police state.

Only the cops and the military are allowed to have them.

Everyone else are criminals.

Not having committed a crime not relevant.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 08:02 AM
Funny how a billboard that says, "Kill the NRA" throws this site into a tizzy but a group of religious fanatics that say they're going to rule over everyone thanks to the AR-15 is no big deal.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 08:07 AM
a reply to: Xcalibur254

I think Trump has an opportunity to make more pals in the democrats here, he banns bump stocks, puts better background checks in and maybe raise the age of being able to buy a rifle to 21.
I can just see him attempting this.

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 08:07 AM
a reply to: Xcalibur254

It's funny the usual suspects always demagogue a single lobbyist group, and ignore their own.

I hope the usual suspects keep harping on firearms.

It cost them power in the 90s.

It will RUIN any chances of taking the midterms, and the White House later.
edit on 22-2-2018 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 08:09 AM
a reply to: Xcalibur254

How is it no big deal?

Of course its a big deal. These people are insane. That they are also armed is a problem, but the actual issue here is that they are insane. Get them off the street until the drugs kick in.

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